This seems to be your last post after your decision to leave.
NOW, I WANT everyone here, who likes/d Phil to write him a private message. "We need you, Phil!"
Pls, copy this and send this to him.
It is important to keep important people!
Well, I am still not as active as I liked but I cannot resist coming on, if not for the people. I can understand that Phil feels personally alienated and I am sure given the same scenario alot of us would do exactly the same. I would love to see him on here again :)
I fully agree it is a shame to lose a member such as Phil, I am new to this site but I have read many of the topics he has posted on and his views and opinions always seem balanced and well thought through. In my opinion it would be a loss to the knowledge base of this site should he not return. Anyways thats my two bobs worth......
Marc
I always wanted to be someone, now I realise I should have been more specific.
emm, its is great that you are doing, but...
he is grown man and if he decided to go, I am not sure if we have rights to ask him to come back/ stay here and I am respecting his decision, however, it would be great if we all can say big thanks for him for all good topics and discussions, what we can read here and let him know, that he is more as welcome to come back here any time again if he will change his mind ; )
Quote: muralisemm, its is great that you are doing, but...
he is grown man and if he decided to go, I am not sure if we have rights to ask him to come back/ stay here and I am respecting his decision, however, it would be great if we all can say big thanks for him for all good topics and discussions, what we can read here and let him know, that he is more as welcome to come back here any time again if he will change his mind ; )
Well said, Phil brought a lot of insight to the Numista, as well as a lot of knowledge, maturity, and humor. Although I personally didn't always agree with him, I will definitely miss him. If he does decide to stay, I will wish him a warm welcome.
Kenny
- Verifying your Asian and British-territorial coins everyday with the best quality photos and the best information.
Returning from a much needed vacation I find an inbox full of messages (more than I can possibly answer) and my very own forum thread! While I can't answer you all individually, it would be churlish to leave without any explanation.
I will continue to use Numista's excellent database and even make an occasional swap (established, sane collectors in North America & Europe only - another ban?). However for reasons which seem clear to everyone except the site's owner, I will not be taking any active part in the Numista community.
For those asking why, let me explain in terms which won't start another forum slander campaign. My account was banned for having participated in what was termed a "forum war". It was the same person, using a variety of accounts to make accusations of spousal abuse, drug addiction, alcohol problems, membership of an ultra right wing fascist party (along with the also departed Radrick and our own dear moderator BAM) and a variety of sexual perversions against myself and my family. This was allowed to continue for an extended period.
Believe it or not, this all started because I ignored a swap offer from this person! Anyway, the long and short of it is that he apparently is a "respected numismatist" so he is allowed to retain his accounts and is still continuing the slander and harassment, which has now stepped up to terrorist threats, via PM. As I am clearly not a respected numismatist and from what I have seen, I have no wish to become one, my account was banned while the perpetrator suffered no real punishment whatsoever. He is banned from the forum indefinitely but as he only ever used it to post abusive messages it isn't any great hardship, he just uses his other accounts.
So, yeah.... I took part in a forum war in pretty much the same way as Belgium took part in WWII. And now? Well if you can imagine how the Belgians would have felt if they have been charged at Nuremburg while the Germans walked away scot free you can understand why I'm done with the Numista community.
Quite apart from any personal grievances I have one huge misgiving about recent events. A large element of the Numista model is swapping, which of course involves the exchange of personal contact information. Ordinarily this wouldn't be an issue but as we now have in our midst an individual threatening violence, jihadi groups and frivolous lawsuit harassment I would be VERY, VERY hesitant about exchanging addresses etc. with anyone who I didn't already know. It's simply not worth it for a few coins. In light of this I would appreciate it very much if any of my previous swap partners are approached by someone, especially a new account, asking for my information, please don't provide it.
The vast majority of members are good and decent people but as everyone knows this isn't the same community it was in 2011 and earlier. Sock puppet accounts are being created faster than they can be deleted and there are the same people demanding over and over again that anyone who disagrees with them be banned. Successfully too. I really have no desire to contribute further in the knowledge that every word is going to be scrutinized by the crazies to see if it can be twisted around to fuel banishment demands. Who needs that kind of drama?
So, in parting let me say a huge thank you to those members who made Numista a formerly great community. It was great while it lasted. Any non-psychos who would like to stay in touch can ask Ben or Mark for my email address or drop me a line here. I still stop by occasionally to use the database so the message will get through eventually.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
Phil, Numista forum will not be the same without you and Radrick. Sorry it all happened to you guys for no reason other than hatred and bigotry. We'll miss you.
Hey Phil, as I said in my PM, his rants on the forum were designed to get you to leave the forums and the site. If you do, even from your own violition then is that not a victory for him? I say revel in the fact that while he is still on this site, he is not allowed to comment on the forums while you still are. Fight the good fight my man.
I'm glad you're staying. Although I'm a relative newcomer to the Numista site, I've come to respect and look forward to your posts. I hate that rants from one person have chased you away.
Also, you're the only person here that has heard of me! That was a huge personal boost for me at a time that I needed one!
I've never swapped with you, but I'd like to think that the option is open. And I'm glad to see the wit, humor, and valuable information that you've provided will still be available.
Thanks, man!
Michael
P.S. I have a case of fumble-fingers today...I've had to edit twice!
Also known as T. M. Bilderback, author. I'm listed on Amazon.com
I 100% agree with and support everything Phil has said. It is simply outrageous that respected long-standing members who have been contributing to Numista for years are allowed to be libelled by some 'Johnny-come-lately' hate-filled extremist without any support from the spineless site administration. When I joined two and a half years ago, one of the things I liked was the small, respectful and close-knit community that existed within Numista but that has all gone now. Like Phil, I will remain a member so that I can manage my collection and make a few swaps but until you-know-who is completely removed from the site I will not be contributing on the forum. Adios!
Just because you can't see it ... doesn't mean it isn't there - Anon.
Quote: radrick007but until you-know-who is completely removed from the site I will not be contributing on the forum. Adios!
Dear fellows wizards,
You all know my views I have phrased them too many times. However your metaphor kicks, Radrick.
You cannot completely remove you-know-how, because he will come back in a different shape, under a different name, as he always was one of the best in transfiguration. The more he needs to do that, the more furious and skilled snakish he will become, thus will destroy more. Unfortunately, in the current technical state of Numista I doubt the owner or the moderators have any fatal incantations or charms to ban anyone off, although you-know-who and some other guys from Slytherin would deserve that undoubtedly.
As a result of the last battle, Ben Wizard's weaponry have been strengthened, he now has a wider vocabulary of incantations and other charms to protect the site. We have gained one more guardian in the person of Walder Wizard, an expert in defense against dark arts, ... so guys,... you might even give it a try to rejoin us in Gryffindor...
Yours faithfully,
Rubeus Hagrid
Care of Magical Creatures teacher
Since these events, some measures have been taken to prevent that such slander come back to the forum and to protect the community:
- Ben now has the power to immediately ban a member from the forum.
- The rules stated in the forum policy are now strictly applied. In case of breach of these rules, the whole forum topic is removed.
- Walder Coins now joined as a moderator.
With these measures, we can react very promptly and nip any problem in the bud before it causes such damages.
I still consider that completely banning a member from Numista is not a good option. In fact it is not even possible, since he could register again and again using different names, which is very hard to track and he would be more and more raging at every such an occasion.
I'm really sorry that the moderation process didn't succeed in stopping this incident in the early stage. Because of this, I had to take some radical sanctions, which may have been misinterpreted. I apologize for the damage it caused to some valuable coin collectors and members of Numista community, including Phil, Torontokuba, Radrick and others. I don't support all of what they say on the forum, but I regret they want to leave because of my actions.
I hope that the new measures will be effective in restoring a friendly community on the forum and avoiding such incidents in the future. I hope that you will be back to share on the forum.
You know what, I respect a person that is perceptive, sticks with their gut feeling and is consistent. Unfortunately, including recently acquired volunteer Numista Team members, as far as English Numista is concerned, I do not see the ability to perceive things and events correctly, I do not see consistency and that's starting at the very top. A so called authority figure that does not take the time or does not have the ability to perceive and interpret events correctly, is no help when it comes to moderating a forum. This forum is mostly silent and often serves as a place to vent for scams and swindlers. I do not see a lot of solid hobby discussions on Numista (topics with 2 or 3 posts don't count as a discussion in my book). A leader and his supporting volunteers, that often don't know what to do or flail in the wind when an issue arises, do not offer a good enough reason to come back and resume using a forum filled with SILENCE, IMMATURITY, SCAMS, SWINDLERS and REVENGE. If you believe you offer something more to the individuals that wish to write, communicate and interact with others, please let me know. The catalogue is nice, can be used for swapping and other stuff, without ever writing a single word on this mockery of a forum. I truly regret ever typing a single word here. For me, the forum moderation on Numista was absurd from the very start.
I really wish Xavier did not write the post above, with my nickname attached to it. Let sleeping dogs lie. The flailing in the wind continues, in my opinion.
Recent post seems to contradict Xavier's previous statements made to me...
Quote: XavierI'm really sorry that the moderation process didn't succeed in stopping this incident in the early stage. Because of this, I had to take some radical sanctions, which may have been misinterpreted. I apologize for the damage it caused to some valuable coin collectors and members of Numista community, including Phil, Torontokuba, Radrick and others. I don't support all of what they say on the forum, but I regret they want to leave because of my actions. I hope that the new measures will be effective in restoring a friendly community on the forum and avoiding such incidents in the future. I hope that you will be back to share on the forum.
Previous communication with Xavier, while I had no access to the forum...
Quote: Xavier... I provide the website "as is", and you are free to use it or not.
If you are not happy with my way of managing my coin collection and the administration of Numista, you are free to leave. For a view of the decisions that were taken today, you can have a look at https://en.numista.com/forum/topic21758.html
Best regards,
Xavier
The ease with which Xavier dismisses individuals who aren't sheep, claiming "as is or else" and then writes a post with apologies, new measures and changes (effectively changing the "as is"), should be of concern to anyone and everyone who takes part on the forum.
Quote: torontokubaThe ease with which Xavier dismisses individuals who aren't sheep, claiming "as is or else" and then writes a post with apologies, new measures and changes (effectively changing the "as is"), should be of concern to anyone and everyone who takes part on the forum.
I think Kuba, you have crossed a barrier.
I do not consider myself a sheep following Xavier, and if anyone knows my history undoubtedly agrees.
I am not even particularly keen on political back-slapping, saying:
"Xavier,as always, you have been wonderful, or Ben you do the right thing as a Messiah"
... neither did I send any message to Xavier saying: "Can I be a team member, please, I desire that status." No. I did not, and I will not.
However, this site is important for me. AS SIMPLY AS IT IS.
I trust it is for a lot us!
I did my utmost in my capabilities to bring You (Kuba), Phil and Rick back, because you are an asset.
Your views, expertise, humor is just simply needed here. You all know that I gave up in February, but returned based on what real organizations call " peer pressure" [e.g. we need you, man]
Now, Phil, Rick, Kuba, you have that peer pressure... make up your mind, this is my last note regarding that...Or guys, if you still wish to be in Eric Berne's "stubborn child" ego state, I am noone to judge adults. Let it be.
It is a pity, we regret, I especially regret, but, F++K, regardless,
this will become the world's number one coin site!
Well, as usual, Xavier has no clue what to do, hence, he is giving you a chance. Speaking of crossing barriers, your actions and recent vocabulary on the forum had me convinced you would be banned for 7 days. I was wrong (another Xavier inconsistency and lack of perception). Don't get me wrong, I do not think you should be banned after some of the choice words you typed in here, you were provoked and the other party, once again, refused to listen to reason. A warning would have been and obviously was enough for you, Imreh (of course, it wasn't displayed in public). What I am getting at, is that I served 7 days for much, much less, than what you displayed with your colorful lingo in public. I never once resorted to blatant swearing when I started out defending an individual, who was being continuously attacked for his lack of English skills. Of course, not a single Team Member saw it for what it was or reacted to stop it with appropriate tools and action. They let the soap opera continue while catering to the needs of the most aggressive individuals involved.
The website is already number one for catalogue and swapping. The forum will never be number one, as long as the current rating system continues to be used as an instigator among members and the forum continues to be a place to vent the many, many shortcomings of the security and current staff of Numista.
As I recall, with your previous issues, I just wanted you to stop making empty promises about leaving and act. I did not peer pressure you to stay or leave.
Please leave me out of your "Numista Revitalization" project. It is no longer of any interest to me. The loyalty and consideration we give, is the loyalty and consideration we receive in return.
Quote: torontokubaThe website is already number one for catalogue and swapping
Please leave me out of your "Numista Revitalization" project. It is no longer of any interest to me. The loyalty and consideration we give, is the loyalty and consideration we receive in retur
Yes, it is, number 1 already,
As promised, I will ignore you largely at your will. (last note)
I trust there are other people to make this site WIN,
I agree, this really is the topic that won't die. Can we please just get over it and get back to the purpose that brought us all here, collecting coins?
