Three unknown coins (all now solved) ! [solved]

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ZacUK Numista team
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Posted: 23 Apr 2013, 19:10 #
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  These could be coins or tokens or anything; I have no scales so do not know the weight.

  • 1   Diameter 23mm and feels like aluminium but may be silver.


  • 2   Diameter 25mm and the centre of the reverse looks to have been added later.


  • 3   This I know is a coin (Ottoman Empire 1293 5 Para KM# 728) but where is the regnal number?


  Additional information - number 2 has  ١٣٠٨  1308 year which is 1891 in a box at the base.
Number 3 is 10% silver and 22mm diameter and is  https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces20843.html  
but on there are three different numbers which determine the coin date; I do not know where to look to find that number!?  1293 (1877) ٢  or  1293 (1878) ٣  or  1293 (1879) ٤  date. Thanks  :)
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manxcat12
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Posted: 23 Apr 2013, 19:25 #
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For the Ottoman coin, it is the ٣ year.
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ZacUK Numista team
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Posted: 23 Apr 2013, 19:30 #
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 Thanks - but where do I find the  ٣  please - I cannot see it !?!  :)
I know the first part of the ١٢٩٣  date is obliterated by the hole; is it near there ?
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manxcat12
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Posted: 23 Apr 2013, 19:33 #
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To the left of the hole on the obverse. :)
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Posted: 23 Apr 2013, 19:38 #
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Quote: manxcat12To the left of the hole on the obverse. :)
  z)  Seen it now - thanks.  :)



One down, two to go. I have no idea what number 1 is, but looks like a cool sword on there.  :)
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manxcat12
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Posted: 23 Apr 2013, 19:41 #
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Well, if it is aluminium, it can't possibly be as old as the design would suggest.
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glorkar
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Posted: 23 Apr 2013, 19:42 #
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The middle one is a military service medal from Turkey:
http://coincircuit.com/coin-Auction/karamitsos/2743421/lot-6370-medals-and-decorations-foreign-medals-and-decorations-coin
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ZacUK Numista team
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Posted: 23 Apr 2013, 19:44 #
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Quote: manxcat12Well, if it is aluminium, it can't possibly be as old as the design would suggest.
 Exactly what I thought - I got it in a bag of fairly modern assorted coins, and it has been a mystery for years. I don't know that even if it is a copy what the original would have been.
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ZacUK Numista team
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Posted: 23 Apr 2013, 19:50 #
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Quote: glorkarThe middle one is a military service medal from Turkey
 Wow - I am truly impressed - I would never have known it was a medal. I guessed it was a 1308 coin which someone liked and added metal on the back to make a brooch with. Now I see it was made like that, including the hole at the top. Thank you so much !  :8D

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glorkar
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Posted: 23 Apr 2013, 19:52 #
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Found this on number 1:
http://www.fitzmuseum.cam.ac.uk/explorer/index.php?qu=*&oid=158853.

It's a 1986-1990 reproduction of a Viking coin originally minted in York  around 924-939.  
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tony_k_1965
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Posted: 23 Apr 2013, 19:52 #
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the 1st one is a modern Yorvik coin like this one
http://www.jorvikshop.com/product_info.php?pid=88
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Posted: 23 Apr 2013, 19:56 #
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  Yes !! Thanks you two - now all three solved (and in less than an hour). Thanks to all who found the information - I would have no idea where to look. Much appreciated.  :)

So number 1 is > Jorvik Coin  -  Pewter replica of a coin minted at Coppergate in Viking Age York.
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glorkar
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Posted: 23 Apr 2013, 20:04 #
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Glad we could help!
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tony_k_1965
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Posted: 23 Apr 2013, 23:37 #
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Quote: ZacUKYes !! Thanks you two - now all three solved (and in less than an hour). Thanks to all who found the information - I would have no idea where to look. Much appreciated.  :)

So number 3 is > Jorvik Coin  -  Pewter replica of a coin minted at Coppergate in Viking Age York.
No but No.1 is  :)
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Posted: 24 Apr 2013, 11:12 #
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  :o  Now amended - I got confused and excited - thanks again.  :)
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redsmithstudios
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Posted: 25 Apr 2013, 05:06 #
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That Viking coin is AWESOME
 What does it say?
Taking a break from swapping for a while, but still interested in pre 1799 Spanish coins, I will make time for that!

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Posted: 25 Apr 2013, 09:14 #
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Quote: redsmithstudiosThat Viking coin is AWESOME. What does it say?


Inscription(s):
design; obverse; +EÐELSTAN REX TO BRI; Small cross pattée in border
design; reverse; SCIPE / TR IMO; Legend divided by sword right, inverted triangle below

Maker(s):
Æthelstan (924-39); ruler; struck in the name of York; mint

Jorvik Coin
- minted at Coppergate in Viking Age York

Lettering alternate readings >
[EDELSTAN REX T ~0'B RIT] [SCIPE TRIIO]
[IEDELSTANRExTOBRIx] [SCIPE TR IIO]

Name(s):
penny; denomination
Circumscription Cross/Sword mule; type

Note: It is a mule as they are obverses from two separate coins (see images below).
 The first side is from a penny of one of the Saxon kings, AEthelstan (Spink number 1093).
 The other side is a "St Peters Penny", with the Sword of Peter, Thor's Hammer, and the legend "SCI PETRI MO" (Spink number 1014), struck circa 919-925 AD by the Viking colonists in York. The legend is abbreviated Latin, for Sancti Petrus Moneta, St Peter's Money.

http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showrecords.php?product=663

http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/search_the_collection_database/search_object_details.aspx?objectid=1068678&partid=1&searchText=sword&fromDate=700&fromADBC=ad&toDate=1100&toADBC=ad&numpages=10&images=on&orig=%2Fresearch%2Fsearch_the_collection_database.aspx¤tPage=2

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AshleyBa3
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Posted: 1 May 2017, 14:57 #
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ZacUK
Is the (1) Viking mule coin/token listed on Numista?
I was recently at the Jorvik centre in York where you could purchase the item in a folder that was hammered from pewter and placed in a folder along with a "Special Edition Coin". The special coin was produced to celebrate the reopening of the centre following flooding. It was a winning design from a school child competition.
Thank you,
AshleyBa3
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Posted: 1 May 2017, 15:17 #
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What a coincidence - I was today looking through various bags of coins I have and found this ...

which I got as part of a purchase about a year after I got the first one. If only the
original came in a bag like this one, then I would have know straight away where it was from!
No I have not created a page for it - I saw no need, but you can if you like. :)
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AshleyBa3
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Posted: 1 May 2017, 15:44 #
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thank you for your quick reply, I have created a modification page that is in for approval as a tourist token
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