Rosa Americana - Real or fake

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I posted about this in Exonumia because I at first thought it might be a fake when I purchased it. But I am not sure now and looking for other opinions.

26.9 Diameter

9.9 grams

2.1 thick

 

If you examine the PCGS MS62 photos it closely matches. Both of the A's in GRATIA is doubled on obverse. And there is a dot to the left of the crown just like the images on PCGS. Here is a Fine example from PCGS. The part that bothers me are the denticles around the edge that do not appear to match.

1 Penny - Rosa Americana - United States (pre-federal and private/territorial) – Numista

 

Referee for Exonumia from United States

Really hard to say.

 

If it is genuine, then it is a really nice coin.

 

I have got 2 Rosa Americana coins in my collection - both of which turned up here in New Zealand, of all places!

 

Aidan.

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I have got 2 Rosa Americana coins in my collection - both of which turned up here in New Zealand, of all places!

If you have the Penny denomination, would you be able to verify the diameter and weight? I cannot find that information.

Referee for Exonumia from United States

Listed here; https://www.allnumis.com/coins-catalog/british-america/royal-patent-coinage-1722-1783/1-penny-1723-rosa-americana-cracked-planchet-40995 & here; N#111413 .

 

The weight & diameter isn't indicated.

 

My example of the 1 Penny has a cracked planchet.

 

Aidan.

The Red Book, Big Red, 3rd ed. does not indicate the diameter/weight. While the many varieties look copper in color, the book says they are a brass composition of copper and zinc (Bath metal) and should have a bit of silver. The least expensive of the types is like yours,  1723,  Penny or Twopence, and valued in that condition at > $500. So if you didn't pay anywhere near that, it may be a copy. The denticles on both 1723 examples are much smaller and/or absent due to most not being perfectly centered. 

At least in China they use scanning and die making technology that copies every nuance, even die polish marks. So indicators like original die marks are not a challenge, except to collectors. Unfortunately, anything of value needs to be slabbed and the slab/coin has to be carefully checked against the slab record at the appropriate site. You can avoid that only if you're an “Expert” in a particular series.

Moneta

I did not pay a lot for it, less than a US dollar. And I purchased it thinking it was a copy. But, most copies I have run across have many errors, Face is distorted or a poor copy, lettering is weak or not even close to the original. This one caught my eye due to the doubling of the letter A's in GRATIA and the dot I pointed out. I also did mention that the denticles bothered me. Other than the denticles I can't say I see much else that concerns me.

 

Thank you for your observations.

Referee for Exonumia from United States

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