Split "Coin replicas" category

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This message aims at: suggesting an idea to improve Numista

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As of now, “Coin replicas” category of medals may contain both official replicas (for example official copies/restrikes made by the mint in a different metal or size) and the unofficial replicas (Temu fakes etc)

 

I think these two categories are different and should be split. The category of official replicas can be included as a subgroup of “Collection medallions”

Replicas should be easily recognized, modern elements like the word 'Replica or equivalent, a modern year or a clearly different design.

 

Modern fakes shouldn't have their own page at all IMO. If they get recognized by collectors (if those still exist) in a few centuries … then maybe. Fakes of coins should be added as examples with the box Fake ticked (the section then could be differentiated from genuine examples).

I agree with Idolenz 

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Idolenz

Replicas should be easily recognized, modern elements like the word 'Replica or equivalent, a modern year or a clearly different design.

 

Modern fakes shouldn't have their own page at all IMO. If they get recognized by collectors (if those still exist) in a few centuries … then maybe. Fakes of coins should be added as examples with the box Fake ticked (the section then could be differentiated from genuine examples).

While I would agree about fakes, not all replicas present themselves as fakes. For example, there are many examples of “non-official” mini coins, collector replicas issued by private companies/individuals, or museum copies that people collect. I think those definitely have a place on Numista, but separated from official copies produced by the mint

Mini copies would fall under easily recognised, the same for super large variants. Museum copies should stay in museums or be destroyed if they are taken out of their inventory as many (esp. older ones) are not marked in any way and of such quality that it is incredibly difficult up to impossible to differentiate them from originals.

 

Numista as of right now lists many cheap Chinese knockoffs as replicas (in my stated definition) those objects made to deceive collectors don't deserve a catalog page (at most a dedicated section completely separate from the catalog like we had in the past or like I stated as examples [then this feature could be built up]).

Idolenz

Mini copies would fall under easily recognised, the same for super large variants. Museum copies should stay in museums or be destroyed if they are taken out of their inventory as many (esp. older ones) are not marked in any way and of such quality that it is incredibly difficult up to impossible to differentiate them from originals.

 

Numista as of right now lists many cheap Chinese knockoffs as replicas (in my stated definition) those objects made to deceive collectors don't deserve a catalog page (at most a dedicated section completely separate from the catalog like we had in the past or like I stated as examples [then this feature could be built up]).

But my proposal is different. I propose to split them based on: 

“Official copies”: Made by the mint or the central bank specifically for the purpose of collecting.

Examples:

N#433891

N#467235

N#348480

N#144183

N#558590

N#404549

 

And the “unofficial copies”: not produced by the mint (and not claim to be original, thus not being fakes):

N#226588

N#319775 (this company issues many copies, that some people, usually who don't know much about numismatics collect)

N#434256 (some kind of mini copy made in gold. I am sure it is not official, because from what I know Germany bans issue of restrikes)

N#361782

N#400415 (although this one was a forgery, these are such important and collectable forgeries that they definitely should be a part of the catalog)

N#86276

Or an examples of museum copies:

N#425854

https://www.adamnumismatics.com/990-1705-xx-poltura-muzeumi-masolat?route=product/product&language=hu-hu

Produced as souvenirs for tourists and also can be easily identified, because of how they look. These are quite common. I obviously did not talk about those copies museum put on displays. I doubt Numista even has them.

 

The second category may or may not include modern temu fakes. That is a separate discussion whether they should be listed or not. Those examples that I gave definitely have a place in Numista, but I propose splitting them into two categories.

Modern temu fakes are already not allowed.

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