Coins

Indeed.

They certainly are  

Really?

Does anyone want them for an old USA silver dollar or silver 50cent piece?

Quote: C.johnDoes anyone want them for an old USA silver dollar or silver 50cent piece?

Is it a joke?    Have you checked a Numista rarity index of those coins? Most people have these coins in their collection, and you'll have hard time swapping them even for the common base metal coins.

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Quote: C.johnDoes anyone want them for an old USA silver dollar or silver 50cent piece?

Is it a joke?    Have you checked a Numista rarity index of those coins? Most people have these coins in their collection, and you'll have hard time swapping them even for the common base metal coins.

hey - can't blame a guy for trying.

I think John's right.

There are some people who would think the coins are worth millions, although they're worth maybe a dollar altogether. Look for someone who doesn't know what a silver dollar is and has one, and they'll think "a dollar's a dollar" and you'll have a decent trade.

Quote: SmartOneKgI think John's right.

There are some people who would think the coins are worth millions, although they're worth maybe a dollar altogether. Look for someone who doesn't know what a silver dollar is and has one, and they'll think "a dollar's a dollar" and you'll have a decent trade.

No, what you will have a very pissed off swap partner. There is nothing whatsoever creditable about taking advantage of your fellow collectors. I find it both distasteful and highly inappropriate for a Numista Team Member to be encouraging this type of chicanery. You sir ought to be ashamed of yourself.

This just epitomises the downhill slide we are on. We are now at the point where it's encouraged to seek out the inexperienced and fleece them? What the hell? Jesus H Christ, why do I even bother?

 I'm seriously giving consideration to moving on to greener pastures. I think a line has just been crossed from which there is no return.

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Quote: SmartOneKgI think John's right.

There are some people who would think the coins are worth millions, although they're worth maybe a dollar altogether. Look for someone who doesn't know what a silver dollar is and has one, and they'll think "a dollar's a dollar" and you'll have a decent trade.

No, what you will have a very pissed off swap partner. There is nothing whatsoever creditable about taking advantage of your fellow collectors. I find it both distasteful and highly inappropriate for a Numista Team Member to be encouraging this type of chicanery. You sir ought to be ashamed of yourself.

This just epitomises the downhill slide we are on. We are now at the point where it's encouraged to seek out the inexperienced and fleece them? What the hell? Jesus H Christ, why do I even bother?

 I'm seriously giving consideration to moving on to greener pastures. I think a line has just been crossed from which there is no return.

I was not even trying to cheat - I paid 20$ for the above lot, is it worth less than that - I figure a simple silver piece would have been worth that.

Quote: pnightingaleI find it both distasteful and highly inappropriate for a Numista Team Member to be encouraging this type of chicanery.

No worries, he's probably just trying to get it all out of his system before the transformation and new nickname. Can't wait to see what it will be. How do you beat "SmartOne", especially after someone already found a toilet paper dispenser with the same name and started a topic about it on this forum (sorry, I can't find the link right now). If you ask me, after that contraption showed up, I would have changed my name ASAP.

Quote: pnightingaleJesus H Christ, why do I even bother?

I'm not really sure.

Quote: pnightingaleI'm seriously giving consideration to moving on to greener pastures.

I'm not worried. I have your email, but, your rating isn't what it used to be, from now on I'm going to have to insist that you send first.  

I'm glad you guys enjoyed my sarcastic remark, and continue to terrorize the forum.

By the way that wasn't me who put up a post about the toilet paper dispenser.

Phil, Kuba, don't be so serious.  

Kenny, I think adding some smylies to your post though would clearly indicate the sarcasm and not trigger such response.  

John, it is very easy to find approximate value of the coins by yourself. I personally use NGC World Coin Price Guide. You just enter something like "France 1951 20 francs", wait a couple seconds for found matches to appear and click the best match. You get a table like one below where you can see prices for grades (not always all the grades). Your 1951 20 francs coin is VF at most (I'd probably grade it as F+) so it's value is not more than $0.40. Same for 1950 unless it is "3 plumes" variety but my guess is you need at least 3x magnifying glass to see that.



Let me know if you need help using NGC Price Guide.

Quote: smoked_caramelPhil, Kuba, don't be so serious.  

Really? I didn't realize I was being serious. Between the toilet paper dispenser and Phil's ratings, I was laughing.

You get the idea...    

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Quote: SmartOneKgI think John's right.

There are some people who would think the coins are worth millions, although they're worth maybe a dollar altogether. Look for someone who doesn't know what a silver dollar is and has one, and they'll think "a dollar's a dollar" and you'll have a decent trade.

No, what you will have a very pissed off swap partner. There is nothing whatsoever creditable about taking advantage of your fellow collectors. I find it both distasteful and highly inappropriate for a Numista Team Member to be encouraging this type of chicanery. You sir ought to be ashamed of yourself.

This just epitomises the downhill slide we are on. We are now at the point where it's encouraged to seek out the inexperienced and fleece them? What the hell? Jesus H Christ, why do I even bother?

 I'm seriously giving consideration to moving on to greener pastures. I think a line has just been crossed from which there is no return.

Couldn't agree more, unfortunately. 90 percent of the stuff on here now is just silliness, and the "staff" is comprised mostly of teenagers.   And no one seems to have any decent coins to exchange anyway.

Check out the PCGS message boards. In both the U.S. forum and the world/ancient coins forum those guys know what they are talking about.

Quote: Chasinva69And no one seems to have any decent coins to exchange anyway.

Some people. You obviously missed the posts about my 2006 cent...

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic17456.html

Quote: Chasinva69Couldn't agree more, unfortunately. 90 percent of the stuff on here now is just silliness, and the "staff" is comprised mostly of teenagers.   And no one seems to have any decent coins to exchange anyway.

Any Internet forum/community is what its members make it. Why don't these seasoned, experienced, wise collectors teach young ones some smarts? Why is it often in these cases bashing that happens rather than a wise advise or polite correction? I agree with you, Phil and Kuba (and Imreh just for the mix) on most of your comments but I'd rather see an advice or a suggestion from you guys.

I don't want to take any side but rather say that "the truth" is always somewhere in the middle.

Quote: Chasinva69And no one seems to have any decent coins to exchange anyway.

That's subjective - I find plenty for myself.

Quote: smoked_caramelI agree with you, Phil and Kuba (and Imreh just for the mix) on most of your comments but I'd rather see an advice or a suggestion from you guys.

Agree or disagree about what? There is an old saying that goes something like this, "If your parents and the school system didn't teach you, the world will". I can't think of a better place to learn than the www. My posts are filled with advice and comments that show where I stand and come from in my opinions. These are just examples and people can choose to agree or disagree with them. Usually these agreements and disagreements should come with a reason and an opinion. This requires taking a side. It doesn't matter whether I am discussing post counts (if you took sides, yours would probably be higher ) or toilet paper dispensers. I have fun, take sides, give advice and try to tie things to the topics that come up on the forum. SmartOne mentioned changing his name. My advice was that it should have been done long ago, when someone posted the toilet paper dispenser.

Quote: smoked_caramelI don't want to take any side but rather say that "the truth" is always somewhere in the middle.

My playful advice here, would be to jokingly tell you to grow a pair.    Remember, political correctness is the world's response to speaking truthfully, candidly and openly. Are you against that frankness on any forum? Giving advice to a teenager, especially one who isn't your kid, can very easily backfire. On the internet, treating everyone the same regardless of age is common practice. We do not want to spread ageism. Here everyone gets praised and bashed equally. No need to get personal or take it personally, responses are usually based on the content you add. Interpretation of the content depends on each individual's personality. Takes a while to get used to different personalities. Our black on white letters do not carry a tone or emotion. Just some food for thought.  Cheers!

If you believe that it's in any way appropriate for a member of the website's administration to provide advice on the best methods to scam valuable coins from novice collectors then there is no advice I can give you.

There is no "half way truth". Sordid conduct is wrong, period. There are no grey areas, there is no middle ground, there is no moral equivalence. He didn't "half way" encourage scamming, there is no room for doubt.

Look for someone who doesn't know what a silver dollar is and has one, and they'll think "a dollar's a dollar" and you'll have a decent trade. This isn't vague, it's specific. Later claiming it was meant to be sarcastic doesn't cut it especially as the author of this particular gem has previosly boasted about getting $1,000 coins for $10 from the unwary.

Can you imagine for one moment one of the Coin Talk moderators offering such advice? No, neither can I and that is why it's a credible source while Numista is fast becoming a joke.

Numista is giving the impression of being a site where teenaged hustlers prey on the trusting, the unaware and the inexperienced, in between bouts of high fiving and "my biggest poo" posts. This hasn't just started to happen it's been creeping in for quite some time but just recently it's becoming more and more of a theme.

I remain because I have a lot of good friends here but I value my reputation very highly and I'm wondering at the wisdom of being publically associated with Numista given it's current nosediving trajectory.

Quote: pnightingaleLater claiming it was meant to be sarcastic doesn't cut it especially as the author of this particular gem has previosly boasted about getting $1,000 coins for $10 from the unwary.

I hope Kenny was genuine stating he was sarcastic in his original post. I don't know him personally though and I'm not a Numistian for long enough to be sure he's lying or not. That's why I provided my suggestion of adding a smily or few to his original post - that's a common use of these "round yellow icons with a variety of eyeballs". I also provided an advice to John on finding an answer to his question by himself and hopefully he will use it going forward.

I spend enough time educating my own kids (teenagers) and have no time or desire to do it for other kids, but I do provide an advice when I can and have a few minutes. If they don't take it it's their loss not mine. In that case I'll just stop doing that (and maybe you are already at that stage).

I was indeed being sarcastic. I made a clear mistake by not reading what I wrote before sending.

I'll listen to smoked_caramel and I'll try to use more smile faces; I talk like a robot. Nevertheless, I mean no harm to anyone.  

You know those posted coins or valueless to me, yet to someone they may mean the world. People each and to their selves find value in objects they desire - as I have heard time and again a coin is worth whatever someone will pay or in this case swap for it .., so as I always send extra coins in my swaps some lucky person will end up with the above lot, because I'd rather know someone smiles when they get it instead of scratching my head every time I see it trying to figure out where it goes .. In the end we can't take our coins with us when we die so I    while I work.