Hello,
Any suggestions as to online sites that offer in-depth information on Pattern coins... and more specifically, this copper one? I'm trying to verify when and where it was struck, and its mintage.
I collect coins and tokens which circulated in Africa from 18th century to 2000. I sell about 7000 illustrated world coins from http://www.avscoins.com.
This is just a fake.
There is no need to issue a gold plated copper pattern of an investment coin with the same design, size and weight after 40+ years of coin's circulation. Patterns are issued before, not after the circulated coin. The only purpose of this 'pattern' is an attempt to sell it as if it were gold. The seller probably bought it as a gold coin and now attempts to rescue at least some of his lost money, or has some other scam in mind.
I collect coins and tokens which circulated in Africa from 18th century to 2000. I sell about 7000 illustrated world coins from http://www.avscoins.com.
Has Dan has mentioned his is copper, so maybe this is the coin he has. I am not trying to prove anything other than the fact this is the only copper one that I can find, as you may also notice Dan has put a ? mark next to word pattern.
Yes, I noticed that Dan was asking about the copper one. I also hope that he was asking before not after committing to a purchase.
I collect coins and tokens which circulated in Africa from 18th century to 2000. I sell about 7000 illustrated world coins from http://www.avscoins.com.
No commitment here! I know Patterns are struck prior to possible introduction as currency, that's why I was inquiring about resources relevant to that information.
I had already found the one referenced to on ebay, and it offered no additional information than the one I originally had looked at.
Let me ask a more fundamental question. Is the average collector (not dealer) in favor of, or against diversifying into multiple areas of collecting?
There has been a rash of "retro patterns" with the head of Edward VIII "issued" by countries which don't even exist any more, e.g. Rhodesia. They are very pretty and to the uninitiated they seem like they would be quite valuable however they cost about 25c each to make and in numismatic terms that's about what they are worth. They are selling like hot cakes on eBay for around $20 - $30 each. The private sector is following the lead of government mints and fleecing collectors.
With regard to diversification of collecting interests, hell yeah. Apart from coins I collect Third Reich and CSA items, stamps, stock certificates (transport and mining), money boxes, toby jugs, William Hogarth lithos and wives.
I'm also an accumulator, which is slightly different. I'm buying up old banknotes, wheat cents and no date buffalo nickels. The first to make a unique kitchen floor, the coins to make furniture pieces out of.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
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Hi Dan, I personally collect both proof coins and circulation coins mainly from the UK, I would also like to get my hands on pattern coins but most come at a rather high cost, so I need to save up a lot and hopefully manage to get some at some point before I retire. Here's a site that sells pattern coins, but looks like the majority are US coins. If I come across anymore I will send you the links. http://www.collectorscorner.com/Category/Category.aspx?catId=15&tl=true
Based on a first-hand experience I had with the hierarchy of the autographed baseball industry, and their supportive system (lasting almost 16 years), I'll offer my opinion.
TPG's are also rife with self-ordained so-called authorized 'experts', 'authenticators', and specialty item 'appraisers'. Their first goal is to relegate any/all competition to the closest dumpster, and, as you said, create a market where they become indispensable. They've pretty much done that (PCGS/NGC). They have 'invented', 'promoted', and quite successfully 'institutionalized' the '3 Tier System' that TPG's are now categorized in. I agree they serve a purpose... make themselves wealthy at the expense of unsuspecting collectors.
If I see a slabbed coin I'm interested in, I'll decide what grade it is (right or wrong), and if the price is acceptable I'll get it... I really don't care who the TPG is.
When the grader becomes more important than the grade... does that sound like, 'When the government becomes more important than the people...'? No humor meant!
Hi Dan,
IMHO diversification is fine, as long as it pleases us. I collect first of all coins and tokens which circulated in Africa, including coinage of colonial powers, but I also have some separate areas (all of them in numismatics), the most active one lately is Russian imperial Roubles. Collecting is a hobby and we all decide ourselves, what we like.
I collect coins and tokens which circulated in Africa from 18th century to 2000. I sell about 7000 illustrated world coins from http://www.avscoins.com.
