German 5 Reichspfennig 1925A

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Hi there I’ve looked online and this coin shows proof like qualities i.e golden wheat sprigs that shine, cameo like effect. I’ve seen on Coinstrail that not all proofs with this coin have a mirror like finish. Wondering if this could 

a proof? 
 

 

Berlin didn't make proofs for that year.

They most certainly did you can see many examples on Coinstrail. 

 

Why are people always taking such tiny pictures of their coins? You have like 5% subject and 95% useless background.
What you have is a run of the mill circulated coin. Even if at some point in time it some proof like qualities, in the state of preservation of this coin is now nobody would be able to tell.

 

Also just because a grader thinks something is a proof doesn't mean it has to be. The shown coins could also be just from fresh dies.

SCWC does not show proofs for 1925A.

fjjohnson

SCWC does not show proofs for 1925A.

It is true that SCWC doesn’t show Proof for 1925A, however other sources state only „common date“ proof as an example.

NGC records 3 1925A Proof coins being graded by them, PCGS 10 - whether these coins are proofs or not, they are obviously high grade and look great and only the companies know their reason for giving a PF designation, perhaps someone in the USA could take them to court to disclose their proof that proofs were minted in Berlin in 1925! I bet they simply disclose paperwork from the client asking for a coin to be graded as such 😂 whatever the case of these 13 graded coins, the OP doesn’t have a proof anymore due to the wear and circulation of the coin. Also when it was first struck in Berlin it was made of gold, now it is just Brass 😉

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ok thanks for all the feedback guys appreciate it! That comment about grading based on paperwork submitted was funny!

There is a forum post on here somewhere about a graded double sided (reverse I think) 1,2 or 5 Cent Euro coin. The grading company wrote on the label that it was French and minted in Paris I think, but because it was just the standard Euro reverse of the globe and stars no actual evidence appeared on the coin to say it was the French version. The member finally got NGC or PCGS to admit that they had no recorded evidence that this is where the coin was struck, and i suggested at the time that maybe the person who sent the coins in simply had a French address!? Thus the graders simply assumed it was a French coin - it is laughable but deeply unprofessional at the same time.

 

I value NGC and PCGS and the way they grade coins, but on the other hand everyone needs to understand they are a business who above all the corporate BS they peddle are interested in one thing and one thing only - getting you, me, us and as many people as possible to send their coins to them and pay for the privilege, it is very easy for a mistake to be written on to a label - it is human error, and once it is done once it becomes fact and must be true.

 

One trusted source says Proofs of this coin are only with E mintmark, the grading companies have graded PF coins for this coin recorded from almost every mint and year. They both can’t be correct. Like I said before someone with a Graded Proof of this coin needs to contact the grading company to get them to disclose the evidence that they may or may not have that proofs were minted from Berlin, especially if the PF prefix increases the value over that of an MS prefix.

 

But this is exactly why you buy the coin and not the label.

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King

One trusted source says Proofs of this coin are only with E mintmark, 

So we're back to my original reply?

 

This one? https://en.numista.com/forum/topic156075.html

rsirian1

King

One trusted source says Proofs of this coin are only with E mintmark, 

So we're back to my original reply?

 

This one? https://en.numista.com/forum/topic156075.html

Your original reply and the SCWC are one trusted source, NGC & PCGS have the other trusted source that only they have access to 😂

 

As for the forum post, no not that one - it was definitely NGC or PCGS slab (but my memory could be remembering incorrectly), I definitely commented - I will look.

 

edit; this one https://en.numista.com/forum/topic90008.html#p760424

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Ah…before my time.  The last post is precious.  https://en.numista.com/forum/topic90008.html#p763096

 

By the way, PCGS only attributes them to the European Union now.

 

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