10 rupees coin of 1970 FAO

10 rupees coin of 1970 FAO with sun and lotus weight mentioned is incorrect. I have 2 coins when weighed, one is showing 16+ grams and another is showing 19+ grams

Your scale is off or you're weighing the wrong coin(s).

I don’t have one, so I can’t confirm either way, but maybe you have 2 fakes? A 3 gram difference between your two coins should be ringing alarm bells.

I thought fake also but who creates a counterfeit of a .800 silver coin that weighs 27% heavy? Make it out of gold? 

Yes I thought that too about the heaviest weight, but it is the difference in weights that alarms me the most and if the OP is weighing on any modern digital small scale he/she shouldn’t be getting such a difference. FAO coins are usually never circulating and all the ones I have, always weigh to the exact gram perfectly without any variation.

Maybe emkeyare123 could post some images?

May be you people are right, I need to check the coins properly as they were locked in for years, I have to verify their originality

Thanks all for your inputs so quickly

I a  posting the image as requested by "King"

1st coin

2nd coin

Neither one is the coin.  Look at the sun, flower, petals. I'd ask the thickness but it doesn't really matter.

Is that a remnant  Ghadi's profile on one of the coins? 😅

Idolenz

Is that a remnant  Ghadi's profile on one of the coins? 😅

I saw that, too but with everything else going wrong with them it didn't seem important.

Hi  rsirian,

Thanks for the inputs. I have been fooled by fake coins. Thanks  Everyone in the forum whojoined the topic. There is huge difference in the image provided by rsirian and mine. 

rsirian1

I thought fake also but who creates a counterfeit of a .800 silver coin that weighs 27% heavy? Make it out of gold? 

Italian WWII coins have more silver  but same weight.

Remember chinese fake Indian coins  including  circulation Rupees 5 coins due to strategic reasons

shamikb

rsirian1

I thought fake also but who creates a counterfeit of a .800 silver coin that weighs 27% heavy? Make it out of gold? 

Italian WWII coins have more silver  but same weight.

Remember chinese fake Indian coins  including  circulation Rupees 5 coins due to strategic reasons

Thanks but I have no idea what you mean.

rsirian1

shamikb

rsirian1

I thought fake also but who creates a counterfeit of a .800 silver coin that weighs 27% heavy? Make it out of gold? 

Italian WWII coins have more silver  but same weight.

Remember chinese fake Indian coins  including  circulation Rupees 5 coins due to strategic reasons

Thanks but I have no idea what you mean.

I meant modern fakes have more silver and weight if made to con numismatists like some rare Italian World War II coins

shamikb

rsirian1

shamikb

rsirian1

I thought fake also but who creates a counterfeit of a .800 silver coin that weighs 27% heavy? Make it out of gold? 

Italian WWII coins have more silver  but same weight.

Remember chinese fake Indian coins  including  circulation Rupees 5 coins due to strategic reasons

Thanks but I have no idea what you mean.

I meant modern fakes have more silver and weight if made to con numismatists like some rare Italian World War II coins

OK but why? Wouldn't a numismatist become even more suspicious if the weight didn't match? Seems that would be the opposite of what the makers of the fakes would want. Better to have the weight match exactly to con people.

rsirian1

shamikb

rsirian1

shamikb

rsirian1

I thought fake also but who creates a counterfeit of a .800 silver coin that weighs 27% heavy? Make it out of gold? 

Italian WWII coins have more silver  but same weight.

Remember chinese fake Indian coins  including  circulation Rupees 5 coins due to strategic reasons

Thanks but I have no idea what you mean.

I meant modern fakes have more silver and weight if made to con numismatists like some rare Italian World War II coins

OK but why? Wouldn't a numismatist become even more suspicious if the weight didn't match? Seems that would be the opposite of what the makers of the fakes would want. Better to have the weight match exactly to con people.

The weight is exact in the Italian WWII coins but silver is more. The Chinese made Indian fakes  have more weight as they think  every else is a idiot and will not weigh… many ppl do not weigh actually esp newbie collectors.

shamikb

rsirian1

shamikb

rsirian1

shamikb

rsirian1

I thought fake also but who creates a counterfeit of a .800 silver coin that weighs 27% heavy? Make it out of gold? 

Italian WWII coins have more silver  but same weight.

Remember chinese fake Indian coins  including  circulation Rupees 5 coins due to strategic reasons

Thanks but I have no idea what you mean.

I meant modern fakes have more silver and weight if made to con numismatists like some rare Italian World War II coins

OK but why? Wouldn't a numismatist become even more suspicious if the weight didn't match? Seems that would be the opposite of what the makers of the fakes would want. Better to have the weight match exactly to con people.

The weight is exact in the Italian WWII coins but silver is more. The Chinese made Indian fakes  have more weight as they think  every else is a idiot and will not weigh… many ppl do not weigh actually esp newbie collectors.

So they put more precious metal in the fakes because they believe no one will weigh them.  Got it.

Really has nothing to do with these. Very unlikely they're silver.

rsirian1

shamikb

rsirian1

shamikb

rsirian1

shamikb

rsirian1

I thought fake also but who creates a counterfeit of a .800 silver coin that weighs 27% heavy? Make it out of gold? 

Italian WWII coins have more silver  but same weight.

Remember chinese fake Indian coins  including  circulation Rupees 5 coins due to strategic reasons

Thanks but I have no idea what you mean.

I meant modern fakes have more silver and weight if made to con numismatists like some rare Italian World War II coins

OK but why? Wouldn't a numismatist become even more suspicious if the weight didn't match? Seems that would be the opposite of what the makers of the fakes would want. Better to have the weight match exactly to con people.

The weight is exact in the Italian WWII coins but silver is more. The Chinese made Indian fakes  have more weight as they think  every else is a idiot and will not weigh… many ppl do not weigh actually esp newbie collectors.

So they put more precious metal in the fakes because they believe no one will weigh them.  Got it.

 

Really has nothing to do with these. Very unlikely they're silver.

Modern fakeers do not worry about a tittle bit silver … they make several times the investment in the market price

shamikb

 

Modern fakeers do not worry about a tittle bit silver … they make several times the investment in the market price

It's really counterintuitive that fakers would make fakes different than the coin they're faking on purpose. I think I'll leave it at that.

rsirian1

shamikb

 

Modern fakeers do not worry about a tittle bit silver … they make several times the investment in the market price

It's really counterintuitive that fakers would make fakes different than the coin they're faking on purpose. I think I'll leave it at that.

Well the images you posted are of fakes for sure

shamikb

rsirian1

shamikb

rsirian1

shamikb

rsirian1

shamikb

rsirian1

I thought fake also but who creates a counterfeit of a .800 silver coin that weighs 27% heavy? Make it out of gold? 

Italian WWII coins have more silver  but same weight.

Remember chinese fake Indian coins  including  circulation Rupees 5 coins due to strategic reasons

Thanks but I have no idea what you mean.

I meant modern fakes have more silver and weight if made to con numismatists like some rare Italian World War II coins

OK but why? Wouldn't a numismatist become even more suspicious if the weight didn't match? Seems that would be the opposite of what the makers of the fakes would want. Better to have the weight match exactly to con people.

The weight is exact in the Italian WWII coins but silver is more. The Chinese made Indian fakes  have more weight as they think  every else is a idiot and will not weigh… many ppl do not weigh actually esp newbie collectors.

So they put more precious metal in the fakes because they believe no one will weigh them.  Got it.

 

Really has nothing to do with these. Very unlikely they're silver.

Modern fakeers do not worry about a tittle bit silver … they make several times the investment in the market price

The weight varies, in most cases the coin weighs more, because they actually don't use the precious or the real metal. 

Particularly in this case, the real coin is 15 g with a purity of 80% silver. If I have to maintain the actual dimensions of the coin then only at certain composition of any metal I will get the exact weight at an exact volume because the density is an intrinsic property of metal.

I assume these fake coins contains lead because of the following advantages of using lead over other metals. 

1.  Cheaper than most metals.
2.  Lower melting point so it's easier to work with.
3.  Very soft so the patterns can easily be made with lesser efforts.

Lead being the heaviest metal, the fake coins are mostly heavier than the real ones. Basically the fakers are selling cheap lead at the bullion value or some higher values.

coin_seeker

shamikb

rsirian1

shamikb

rsirian1

shamikb

rsirian1

shamikb

rsirian1

I thought fake also but who creates a counterfeit of a .800 silver coin that weighs 27% heavy? Make it out of gold? 

Italian WWII coins have more silver  but same weight.

Remember chinese fake Indian coins  including  circulation Rupees 5 coins due to strategic reasons

Thanks but I have no idea what you mean.

I meant modern fakes have more silver and weight if made to con numismatists like some rare Italian World War II coins

OK but why? Wouldn't a numismatist become even more suspicious if the weight didn't match? Seems that would be the opposite of what the makers of the fakes would want. Better to have the weight match exactly to con people.

The weight is exact in the Italian WWII coins but silver is more. The Chinese made Indian fakes  have more weight as they think  every else is a idiot and will not weigh… many ppl do not weigh actually esp newbie collectors.

So they put more precious metal in the fakes because they believe no one will weigh them.  Got it.

 

Really has nothing to do with these. Very unlikely they're silver.

Modern fakeers do not worry about a tittle bit silver … they make several times the investment in the market price

The weight varies, in most cases the coin weighs more, because they actually don't use the precious or the real metal. 

Particularly in this case, the real coin is 15 g with a purity of 80% silver. If I have to maintain the actual dimensions of the coin then only at certain composition of any metal I will get the exact weight at an exact volume because the density is an intrinsic property of metal.

 

I assume these fake coins contains lead because of the following advantages of using lead over other metals. 

 

1.  Cheaper than most metals.
2.  Lower melting point so it's easier to work with.
3.  Very soft so the patterns can easily be made with lesser efforts.

 

Lead being the heaviest metal, the fake coins are mostly heavier than the real ones. Basically the fakers are selling cheap lead at the bullion value or some higher values.

Lead and silver densities are so close that there's no advantage to using lead for weight. Besides, the alloying properties, color, environmental exposure resistance, etc. of lead makes its use as a substitute for silver a non-starter. “Lead being the heaviest metal” ?  Maybe of metals starting with the letter L.

rsirian1

coin_seeker

shamikb

rsirian1

shamikb

rsirian1

shamikb

rsirian1

shamikb

rsirian1

I thought fake also but who creates a counterfeit of a .800 silver coin that weighs 27% heavy? Make it out of gold? 

Italian WWII coins have more silver  but same weight.

Remember chinese fake Indian coins  including  circulation Rupees 5 coins due to strategic reasons

Thanks but I have no idea what you mean.

I meant modern fakes have more silver and weight if made to con numismatists like some rare Italian World War II coins

OK but why? Wouldn't a numismatist become even more suspicious if the weight didn't match? Seems that would be the opposite of what the makers of the fakes would want. Better to have the weight match exactly to con people.

The weight is exact in the Italian WWII coins but silver is more. The Chinese made Indian fakes  have more weight as they think  every else is a idiot and will not weigh… many ppl do not weigh actually esp newbie collectors.

So they put more precious metal in the fakes because they believe no one will weigh them.  Got it.

 

Really has nothing to do with these. Very unlikely they're silver.

Modern fakeers do not worry about a tittle bit silver … they make several times the investment in the market price

The weight varies, in most cases the coin weighs more, because they actually don't use the precious or the real metal. 

Particularly in this case, the real coin is 15 g with a purity of 80% silver. If I have to maintain the actual dimensions of the coin then only at certain composition of any metal I will get the exact weight at an exact volume because the density is an intrinsic property of metal.

 

I assume these fake coins contains lead because of the following advantages of using lead over other metals. 

 

1.  Cheaper than most metals.
2.  Lower melting point so it's easier to work with.
3.  Very soft so the patterns can easily be made with lesser efforts.

 

Lead being the heaviest metal, the fake coins are mostly heavier than the real ones. Basically the fakers are selling cheap lead at the bullion value or some higher values.

Lead and silver densities are so close that there's no advantage to using lead for weight. Besides, the alloying properties, color, environmental exposure resistance, etc. of lead makes its use as a substitute for silver a non-starter. “Lead being the heaviest metal” ?  Maybe of metals starting with the letter L.

Lead and silver densities are so close that there's no advantage to using lead for weight.

The closer the densities are it's easier/safer to fake. You must have read how gold is/was smuggled using tungsten bar. If their densities are considered upto 1 decimal place, they are equal.

environmental exposure resistance

If I am concerned only for selling then I won't consider the long term effect of blackening, even silver has that problem. Moreover, electroplating is always an option. Even brass electroplating is done to replicate. The process is different from the conventional electroplating.

“Lead being the heaviest metal” ?  Maybe of metals starting with the letter L.

I agree particularly this statement is wrong. For the 'L' part I'm bit curious to know what do you mean. If you are Hindi speaking Indian then it's ok I have understood.

Most importantly I'm not ready to consider if they are using more silver as I already stated, “If I have to maintain the actual dimensions of the coin then only at certain composition of any metal I will get the exact weight at an exact volume because the density is an intrinsic property of metal.”

Hindu 😁

The “coins” in  this post are so far from accurate that insisting that whoever made them was manipulating silver content and weight to deceive is ludicrous.