jeto2
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Posted: 25 May 2025, 12:57
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Posted: 25 May 2025, 12:57
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Hello, a seller is offering this coin, but I don't know where to classify it.
Thank you for the advice.
jeto2
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Posted: 25 May 2025, 13:11
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Posted: 25 May 2025, 13:11
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This is what the whole offer looks like
ArnoV
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Posted: 25 May 2025, 13:19
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Edited: 25 May 2025, 13:29
Posted: 25 May 2025, 13:19
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Edited: 25 May 2025, 13:29
Looks like they're all N#4228 .
The strange one has a tampered date, post mint damage (most likely 1861 > 1001).
jeto2
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Posted: 25 May 2025, 13:21
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Posted: 25 May 2025, 13:21
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It's the date that confuses me.
ZacUK
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Posted: 25 May 2025, 13:24
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Posted: 25 May 2025, 13:24
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Clearly altered middle numbers - that 1 each end is original.
Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins
ArnoV
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Posted: 25 May 2025, 13:24
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Posted: 25 May 2025, 13:24
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After zooming in a bit, I'm pretty certain to see the remains of the numbers 8 and 6.
I wouldn't know how to do it, but it's certainly possible to modify a coin like that.
jeto2
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Posted: 25 May 2025, 13:26
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ZacUK
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Posted: 25 May 2025, 13:29
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Posted: 25 May 2025, 13:29
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As that link is 1846-1860 then could only be an 1851A that has been altered.
So two coins - 1850 or 1860 - have had their 0 removed, then inserted into
spaces that used to have 51 in. Presumably.
Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins
ArnoV
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Posted: 25 May 2025, 13:30
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ZacUK
As that link is 1846-1860 then could only be an 1851A that has been altered.
Sorry, I placed the wrong link initially. Corrected now.
jeto2
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Posted: 25 May 2025, 13:31
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Posted: 25 May 2025, 13:31
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And why did someone do that? To put in such a lot of work, for a coin, for 2 euros
ArnoV
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Posted: 25 May 2025, 13:33
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The coin was probably already altered at the end of the 19th century when it had become worthless and a fun object to manipulate.
ZacUK
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Posted: 25 May 2025, 13:34
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Posted: 25 May 2025, 13:34
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Unless some other engineering method was used - somehow
scraping off the top of the number then welding it onto the other coin.
Maybe after removing / flattening the 85 then creating 00 somehow -
especially noticeable with the first 0 being larger and better formed
than the slightly smaller more mis-shapen second 0 number.
Maybe another member would tell how it was done.
Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins
jeto2
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Posted: 25 May 2025, 13:37
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Posted: 25 May 2025, 13:37
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Okay, I'll leave it open for now, maybe someone else will comment.
rsirian1
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Posted: 25 May 2025, 15:15
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Posted: 25 May 2025, 15:15
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yes 1861 → 1001
jeto2
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Posted: 25 May 2025, 15:19
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Posted: 25 May 2025, 15:19
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The way I see it, the coin is useless.
spauldingph
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Posted: 25 May 2025, 16:18
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Posted: 25 May 2025, 16:18
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It was probably done by chasing; moving metal from one area to another using punches and fullers. The fact that the zeros are crude and dissimilar would indicate that the perpetrator wasn't overly skilled. Still, an interesting novelty item, like my two headed penny.
jeto2
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Posted: 25 May 2025, 16:38
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Posted: 25 May 2025, 16:38
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Status changed to Solved
(jeto2 , 25 May 2025, 16:38)
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