Request for information – 2 Baiocchi 1849 Roma struck over earlier coin?

Hello everyone,

I would appreciate your expertise regarding a 2 Baiocchi coin dated 1849 from the Roman Republic, minted in Rome (with the characteristic fasces and Phrygian cap on the obverse, and “DVE BAIOCCHI” within a wreath on the reverse).

Upon close inspection, my coin shows clear signs of overstriking: remnants of an earlier design are visible underneath the official motifs—specifically branches and partial letters that do not belong to the 1849 type. These ghost elements strongly suggest that the coin was struck over a previous Papal coin, possibly another 2 Baiocchi of Pope Pius IX from the years 1847–48.

Here are my questions:

• Are there documented examples of 2 Baiocchi 1849 struck over earlier Papal coins?

• Is this phenomenon catalogued anywhere (e.g. Gigante, Pagani, Montenegro)?

• Could this be considered a known variant or a minting error due to the political urgency of the 1849 issues?

I am not an expert on errors like this, but the impression right of the fasces appears to be the oak leaves from 5:00 - 6:00 on the other side.  

Could this mean it is a die clash?

It could be a second strike on an (out of center) error coin. 

Only an idea, i'll observe this topic.

The coin you have is from the 1799 Roman Republic. The Ancona ones are siege coins.

As to 1849-R Roman Republic coins being struck over I have only ever seen it one one ½ baiocco. I imagine the 1 is a possibility as well, but the 3 had no analog planchet in circulation, and the 4-40 are billon/silver with no other coins the same. However the ½ and 1 baioccos were the same size/weight as the papal state ones. Anyway, I hope this helps

I found a second one, and they look to have been done the same.

Here is a less blury, better look

As Dresden said it's from 1799 and the French Revolutionary Wars period. I have one on my site:

https://www.moneta-coins.com/showphoto.php?photo=2450&title=roman-republic-17992-baiocchi&cat=893

Yours looks like a strike mishap, double struck like crazy, not a plus unless you're accumulating variants of the series. You might be able to find some where other planchets were overstruck totally. Like your #3 states, times were chaotic. The French had coins during that period that were struck in copper or Bell metal (brass), from bells removed from churches and melted.

The Ancona ones, mentioned by Dresden, were cast rather than struck:

https://www.moneta-coins.com/showphoto.php?photo=2516&title=italyancona-1849a&cat=893