I am looking for help with identification [solved]

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jeto2
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Posted: 22 May 2025, 10:46 #
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Hello, I can't find this coin on Numista and yet I know I've seen it here before and now I can't find it. It's the wartime contraband coin.
Thank you very much

jeto2
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Posted: 22 May 2025, 17:29 #
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To be more precise, it is a coin that unscrews into two pieces and creates a box inside.

SGreg85
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Posted: 22 May 2025, 17:49 #
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I've found this one in the cataloge: N#22368

Similar design, but it's made from a different coin.

tokul
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Posted: 22 May 2025, 17:53 #
Edited: 22 May 2025, 18:00
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You have Francis I of HRE on one side and Maria Theresa of HRE on other side. Search Austria in 1745-1765, limit to your size and you will probably find which two coins this piece pretends to be. If they really tried to fool people, they would have thaler sized (40 mm) box and correct reverse.

jeto2
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Posted: 22 May 2025, 17:54 #
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Yes, that's what I saw. But as I see it's not this coin.

jeto2
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Posted: 22 May 2025, 17:56 #
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But never mind, at least I know where to start. Thank you

jeto2
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Posted: 22 May 2025, 17:58 #
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tokul

You have Francis I of HRE on one side and Maria Theresa of HRE on other side. Search Austria in 1745-1765, limit to your size and you will probably find which two coins this piece pretends to be.

Yes, I tried all that, but I guess I was unlucky. Thank you very much anyway

tokul
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Posted: 22 May 2025, 18:02 #
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What is diameter of it?

 

Please note that it is not a coin and it is probably not registered in numista.

jeto2
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Posted: 22 May 2025, 18:06 #
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tokul

What is diameter of it?

 

Please note that it is not a coin and it is probably not registered in numista.

diameter 25, thickness 3. weight 9.2g. Yes, I realize that.

jeto2
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Posted: 22 May 2025, 18:10 #
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Although I found a similar coin for sale on Numista

https://katzauction.com/lot/487248

SGreg85
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Posted: 22 May 2025, 18:11 #
Edited: 22 May 2025, 18:12
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25 mm diameter is about the size of a Kreuzer.
The Maria Theresia-side is probably made from one of these:
N#15634

N#298974

 

and the Francis side is either N#18634 or N#317487

jeto2
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Posted: 22 May 2025, 18:17 #
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It just didn't seem to me that there were two monarchs on both sides of the same coin.

Anyway, thanks everyone for the help

SGreg85
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Posted: 22 May 2025, 18:19 #
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I just found an auction record of another Maria Theresia spy money: https://www.darabanth.com/en/gyorsarveres/468/kategoriak~Numizmatika/Numizmatikai-tetelek-rendkivul-alacsony-kikialtasi-aron~500001/1775S-12kr-Cu-Maria-Terezia-szetszedheto-kempenz-spionpenz-TVF-R-Hungary-1775S-12-Kre~II3159992


This is smaller, made from a ½ Kreuzer.

Status changed to Solved (jeto2, 23 May 2025, 23:14)
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