the lettering is in rough shape but since I don’t know my lettering on coins I came here. I personally can only see the lettering and a small flower on the left side of the coin. Any help would be greatly appreciate. Diameter: 25mm
Weight: 2.09g
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Posted: 25 Apr 2025, 17:56
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Edited: 25 Apr 2025, 17:57
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I made these with circles and shapes and [some] lettering
I rotated the second side as when the rope border [in pink] was added it seemed
to stop in a certain section which perhaps was the lower part.
Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins
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This is still not the coin, as no AN letters [IO not IOAN] but if
that image above is rotated then compared
then maybe those green lines are a portrait facing right. Then making
those second pictures actually the obverse. That picture though has
nothing like the reverse shown above, so still looking …
Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins
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From that, found similar lettering [no pictures] both sides
Obverse:
John II Casimir Vasa (King of Poland, Grand Duke of Lithuania)
IOAN CASIM D G REX POL ET SVE
Reverse:
Description: Eagle (heraldry) / Man riding a horse
VI GROS ARG SEX REG POL
Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins
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That's upright orientation for reverse. Large crown on top. Polish eagle shield on the left. Lithuanian shield on the right. Vaza's coat of arms on the bottom. T is part of mint master mark.
Probably 1667 as last two digits barely visible on top left.
GROS ARGE SEX REG POL points at Poland, but not free city of Gdansk.
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Yes, I was thinking as obverse lettering started top right then maybe the reverse did also.
Added the 6 7 visible numbers now. Pictures from those two links added for comparison
Still no small flower on top right of right shield though.
That first link is better as it has ARGE not ARG lettering like second link.
Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins
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Yes, that is the one. Thanks :)
IOAN CASIM D G - REX POL & SUE // VI / GROS ARGE SEX REG POL [date]
Description
Poland 1506-1795
Jan II Kazimierz, Szóstak Bydgoszcz 1667 TLB -
flower Variety with a bust type I (with a freely hanging order of the Golden Fleece),
with rosettes on the sides of the reverse crown and a flower between the shields.
Reference: Ciura 667B.2.2.1.1
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A Polish 1667 6 Groszy silver coin.
The obverse features a crowned and armored bust of Johan Casimir right with a lettering:
IOAN CASIM D G REX & POL SUE around and on the reverse there is crowned two shields and
Vasa coat of arms in a round shield inside the border. Lettering around:
GROS ARG SEX REG POL 1667 / VI / TL B.
John II Casimir, 1609 to 1672, was King of Poland and Grand Duke of Lithuania from 1648 until
his abdication in 1668 as well as titular King of Sweden from 1648 until 1660.
He was the first son of Sigismund III Vasa with his second wife Constance of Austria.
John Casimir succeeded his older half-brother, Władysław IV Vasa.
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Still looking for unabridged lettering …
Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins
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Ah, yes, forgot about reverse lettering. Thanks
Summary of all above >
IOAN CASIM D G - REX POL & SUE
Ioannes Casimirus, Dei Gratia, Rex Poloniae et Sveciae
John Casimir, by the Grace of God, King of Poland and Sweden
VI / GROS ARGE SEX REG POL 1667 / T L B
VI Grossus Argenteus Sexduplex Regni Poloniae 1667 / Titus Livius Boratini
Six silver Groschen, Kingdom of Poland 1667 / Titus Livius Boratini
I think the topic is solved at last. 😊
Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins
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