Need Help ID Mongol/Post-Mongol coin.

Hello everyone,

I need help to identify this coin.

When i bought it, it was labeled as a Fals from Post-Mongol/Qara Qoyunlu (Album 2563), but i am pretty sure if this is NOT correct. I have checked on Numista and on Zeno.ru, but i can not find this type anywhere.

I have found some Ilkhanate coins with a similar obverse, but not an exact match.

Obverse: Sun with face ("Sunface"), around that an unidentifyable (at least to me) script.

Revers: Again script, or maybe a tamgha? I am not sure.

AE, 26mm, 3,26g

If anyone out there knows more about this coin, or knows some website where to find more infos, it would be very appreceated :)

Thanks in advance and Cheers,

Hama1221

Don't know but the reference of Album says:

The attribution is not correct as OP indicates. This is Album 2563:

and Album 2563A:

Then the Numista reference is wrong

N#426833

Geison

Don't know but the reference of Album says:

Yes thats true, but Album 2563 (and 2563A) is about Aq Qoyunlu empire, not Qara Qoyunlu empire (similar name, but different entity)

Quant-Geek

The attribution is not correct as OP indicates. This is Album 2563:

 

and Album 2563A:

 

 

Thank you for confirming my suspicion. May i ask where have you found thoses images from?

Geison

Then the Numista reference is wrong

N#426833

Yes i think so too, this reference is not correct.

There are some Golden Horde coins with a passing resemblance:
N#301389
N#301476

If you check the relevant page on Zeno, there are other examples too: https://www.zeno.ru/showgallery.php?cat=6765

None of them is an exact match, but they have similar ‘sun face with tears’ design.
Like these:
https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=274062

https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=74644

https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=48495

https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=44349

https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=215569

SGreg85

There are some Golden Horde coins with a passing resemblance:
N#301389
N#301476

If you check the relevant page on Zeno, there are other examples too: https://www.zeno.ru/showgallery.php?cat=6765

None of them is an exact match, but they have similar ‘sun face with tears’ design.
Like these:
https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=274062

https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=74644

https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=48495

https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=44349

https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=215569

 

Thanks for all the links, i will check it out.

SGreg85

There are some Golden Horde coins with a passing resemblance:
N#301389
N#301476

If you check the relevant page on Zeno, there are other examples too: https://www.zeno.ru/showgallery.php?cat=6765

None of them is an exact match, but they have similar ‘sun face with tears’ design.
Like these:
https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=274062

https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=74644

https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=48495

https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=44349

https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=215569

 

I have checked out all the possible Golden Hoard coins here in Numista and on Zeno, but i just cannot find anything that matches.

Some close calls on the obverse, but the number of rays from the sun (11 in my coin) dont match. Also i havent found a single reverse that would come even close :(

For now i am again stumped, and any new advice from you guys (and girls) would make me happy, but as of now, i have again no clue.