Heaton mint mark

Where is the “H” located?

(for 1920, 1921, 1922)

Hello, 

I couldn't find an image showing the “H” mintmark.

However, I did find  an image of the “B” mintmark.

The "B" mintmark is located on the reverse under the bow.

I would assume that the “H” would be placed in the same location.

Look at this:

https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/colombia-5-centavos-km-199-1918-1950-cuid-1038896-duid-1278479

I tried to find one that actually had the H mint mark. I couldn't. It seems logical the 1920, 1921 and 1922 coins would have the H in the same location as the B from 1938 but it also seems logical the US wouldn't move the mint mark from the reverse to the obverse but they did.  

I didn't find the H anywhere….. either! Rather strange in my opinion. Please note, that KM doesn't give any mintage for the H years!

They didn't use a mint mark on the 10 and 20 centavos coins from the same time frame. Seems strange they would on the 5 centavos.

It almost sounds like there really is no such thing as a 1920-H 5 centavo.  I will contact one of the folks who says they have one to trade.

mingovia

It almost sounds like there really is no such thing as a 1920-H 5 centavo.  I will contact one of the folks who says they have one to trade.

 

I wouldn't go that far. SCWC does list them as -H. If you can get pictures that would be great.

rsirian1

mingovia

It almost sounds like there really is no such thing as a 1920-H 5 centavo.  I will contact one of the folks who says they have one to trade.

 

I wouldn't go that far. SCWC does list them as -H. If you can get pictures that would be great.

Good luck, let's see.

https://onlinecoin.club/Info/Mints/Heaton_and_Sons/Coins/2/

no Colombia 1920

No Colombia 1921

no Colombia 1922

I don't know, if we can take that as a proof of the NON-EXISTENCE of those three years marked with the mint mark H?

I did get a reply from one of those collectors who has one to trade.  He said he will dig it out and send me a photo.  I am waiting anxiously!

Hopefully it will be better than the best one on Ucoin.

That's not a H mint mark in my opinion?

Not in my opinion either. Picture copied as it appears on Ucoin.

Is this an H? 1921 coin. (Quick shot inside a flip. In theory I have a better camera coming Monday.)

Sjoelund

 

I don't know, if we can take that as a proof of the NON-EXISTENCE of those three years marked with the mint mark H?

No we can't. That list is not complete. East Africa also has a lot of coins/dates with the H mint mark but not a single one is on that list. So we can't exclude Colombia either. Although it's strange not a single picture is to be found with the H mint mark on these Colombian coins.

The problem is, a picture proofs the existence of that coin but not finding a picture doesn't proof the non-existence.

No, probably PMD, my opinion only.

Their long conversation reminded me that I know an older woman who's also a friend of my family. These days, I think, she's coming to my house with a bunch of old coins and bills (most of them, obviously, Colombian), and if I find one of those coins with the H mark, I'll get in touch with they

The listing gives 1920 , 1921 & 1922 as having a H for Heaton m/m.

My question is why is there a line saying

Note: Small letter H on the reverse is not a mintmark. All the coins of 1918-1924, with this letter or without it, were minted in Bogotá

Is it because the H shown is unclear & until a clearly visible H is seen on a coin it cannot be verified.

Would it be possible to check the Heaton mint records (if they exist) to see if they actually minted any of these coins?

Merv

The listing gives 1920 , 1921 & 1922 as having a H for Heaton m/m.

My question is why is there a line saying

Note: Small letter H on the reverse is not a mintmark. All the coins of 1918-1924, with this letter or without it, were minted in Bogotá

Is it because the H shown is unclear & until a clearly visible H is seen on a coin it cannot be verified.

Would it be possible to check the Heaton mint records (if they exist) to see if they actually minted any of these coins?

Good idea

Hi,

I just got this mail from Mr. Paul Baker:

I have the book "A Numismatic History of The Birmingham Mint" by James O. Sweeny, published by the mint in 1981.

A small number of coins are listed as having been made for Colombia (in the catalogue section).

The only 2 listed as having had mintmark “H” are:- 1 Peso Papel Moneda 1912H and 5 Pesos Papel Moneda 1912H.

N#26600

N#23798

The last paragraph of the Colombia part of the catalogue section reads as:- “After 1917 the output of the Bogota and Medellin Mints continued to have to be supplemented by outside contracts, but all such were carried out by other American mints.”.

Paul is always very precise in his statements, so I tend to believe him.

This is from the same mail, where Paul tells us, that SCWC has a “glitch”

For the type Colombia 5 Centavos KM-199, relevant to this subject, the SCWC2011 has 1920, 1920H, 1921, 1921H, 1922 and 1922H.

For that type the SCWC1996 also has 1920, 1920H, 1921, 1921H, 1922 and 1922H.

However the SCWC1985 has 1920, 1921, and 1922, but it does not have 1920H, 1921H and 1922H.

And the last part is about the small H

It does seem that some pieces have a "H" but the images I saw elsewhere were no better than some of the images already in the topic. Just maybe the “H” will always be visible on higher grade pieces for those 3 dates, well maybe.

Does anybody else have James O. Sweeny book? The book is quite expensive…. Available on Amazon!

Much less expensive on AbeBooks and eBay, but still not cheap.

Sjoelund

 

For the type Colombia 5 Centavos KM-199, relevant to this subject, the SCWC2011 has 1920, 1920H, 1921, 1921H, 1922 and 1922H.

 

For that type the SCWC1996 also has 1920, 1920H, 1921, 1921H, 1922 and 1922H.

 

However the SCWC1985 has 1920, 1921, and 1922, but it does not have 1920H, 1921H and 1922H.

I can confirm the SCWC1983, SCWC1984 and SCWC1986 don't have a 1920H, 1921H and 1922H yet.

The SCWC1995 already has 1922H but not yet 1920H and 1921H.

By the way, the SCWC1983 and SCWC1984 also have an additional 1933B and 1949.

In the SCWC1995 and SCWC1999 the status of the 1933B is changed to “Reported, not confirmed”. The 1949 is still there.

In the SCWC 2006 1933B and 1949 are no longer present.