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Since you know what you have, you can put the appropriate search terms into the Numista search field, and your coin will come up.
For example, searching in Spain on “20 reales 1852,” this listing comes up: N#7732
You can go to the "Comments" field and determine which mint your coin was made and perhaps can find an auction sale of a coin in similar condition to determine the approximate value.
8 reales 1752 Ferdinand sexto N#104419 but 1752 doesn't exist on the coin page probably a fake
Edit: On the 8 reales 1783 Carolus Tercero coin the mint mark Zs and the initials R.G. were used by the Mexican State of Zacatecas like on this coin but the date of 1783 makes no sense (to me). N#74779
Should I take the Ferdinand sexto coin to a numismatic shop and check if it would be real? I did some research and there have been documented cases of this coin being real although there have been many fakes.
I got these coins from my grandpa when he died so they might be entirely fake but I want to know if I should take them for a look to a professional.
IF the Ferdinand coin would be real, how much would it be worth and where should I take it to check if it would be real?
And for last, does the Isabel segunda or Amadeo primero have any sort of value?
- Santiago mint didn't coin a 8 Reales piece with that date;
- Santiago mint didn't abreviate Fernando's VI name (FERDND) and used instead the 4 Reales dies (smaler) to write his complete latin name (FERDINANDUS) ;
- the same happened with the crown above the two hemispheres: Santiago mint used the 4 Reales dies (smaler) for Fernando's 8 Reales coins.
All this 8 Reales pieces minted in Santiago in the reign of Fernando VI are very, very rare. The 8 Reales piece 1751 was the first silver coin ever minted in Santiago, followed by 1753 and 1755 8 Reales pieces (1752 and 1754 had no coinage).
(The Santiago mint -established in 1745- only had produced some gold pieces - mainly 4 Escudos- before that).
Regular coinage -still very rare in the higher values- begun in the 1760ies under Carlos III.
Regarding the other 8 Reales piece (Carlos III, 1783) with the apparent mint mark "Z" from Zacatecas, viceroyalty of Mexico, it is another faker: fact is that the Zacatecas mint was established only in 1810 ………
8 reales 1752 Ferdinand sexto N#104419 but 1752 doesn't exist on the coin page probably a fake
Edit: On the 8 reales 1783 Carolus Tercero coin the mint mark Zs and the initials R.G. were used by the Mexican State of Zacatecas like on this coin but the date of 1783 makes no sense (to me). N#74779
As far as I know, the 8 reales for 1783 in Mexico were made with the Mo mintmark and no other. It would be wise to check the weight, diameter, edge, and specific gravity of this coin as it may not be a legitimate coin.
Indeed, unfortunately all cast replicas. Back to basics folks. Weight, Diameter, compostion, etc, If they are not authentic, value cannot be properly assessed and is a moot point.
Indeed, unfortunately all cast replicas. Back to basics folks. Weight, Diameter, compostion, etc, If they are not authentic, value cannot be properly asessed and is a moot point.
You can ask but in the end you either work with the information available or you ignore the post.
Of course you're right but we did manage to “prove” two were not real with concrete facts rather than just saying they look fake and, I learned some new things doing so. My time wasn't wasted.
Of course you're right but we did manage to “prove” two were not real with concrete facts rather than just saying they look fake and, I learned some new things doing so. My time wasn't wasted.
How were they proven? They were just identified with the real coins
Kenny
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The photos are too small to make much sense, but all look the same type of dark outlines and wear like lead plated brass copies made by Chinese junk mints. I agree, more Chinese fakes. But we don't know if the OP was taken in by a seller, or they were just messing with us.
They could answer, have they had these a long time, or were they bought off Ali, Wish, temu or Yinchang websites.
Maybe newbies should declare what country they are from, so we know if someone is from a country that makes or has a lot of fakes for sale, we can be more suspicious. Sadly red flags ring for me if I see “China” or “bought off Ebay or a Chinese marketplace website for peanuts”.
I try not to answer too many more of these threads as someone will take it wrong or claim I am arrogant or racist, because I am telling the truth and the truth is not woke enough.
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Oh man… how did I miss this post. Coins are obvious fakes, way too many red flags on the surface visible from the images and no details about weight and dimensions when posting the images.
The story of how it was the OP persons Grandfather just confounds the lie…. not to upset someone, but!
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Oh man… how did I miss this post. Coins are obvious fakes, way too many red flags on the surface visible from the images and no details about weight and dimensions when posting the images.
The story of how it was the OP persons Grandfather just confounds the lie…. not to upset someone, but!
Fakes as already suggested by the OP. Hardly reason to assume the OP is a liar, actually just the opposite. Reading of the entire post is very helpful as other members have already deemed them fakes.
Oh man… how did I miss this post. Coins are obvious fakes, way too many red flags on the surface visible from the images and no details about weight and dimensions when posting the images.
The story of how it was the OP persons Grandfather just confounds the lie…. not to upset someone, but!
Fakes as already suggested by the OP. Hardly reason to assume the OP is a liar, actually just the opposite. Reading of the entire post is very helpful as other members have already deemed them fakes.
They are already suggested as fake, more than likely because the OP knows they are fake - at best probably been into a coin dealer, got the same answer there and doesn’t believe, so he wants a second opinion. At worst he is trying to scam, but I’m not saying anything like that, just that his story is suspicious, just like all the other Nigerian Princes….
And also yes, great work by everyone else, methodically proving that they are fakes. Kudos - this is why I was disappointed to have missed the post from the beginning.
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At worst he is trying to scam, but I’m not saying anything like that, just that his story is suspicious, just like all the other Nigerian Princes….
You're not? You just did.
I also said this „at best probably been into a coin dealer, got the same answer there and doesn’t believe, so he wants a second opinion.“ I am just making a point.
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Hi all, was doing some reseaech on a coin i just bought on ebay- and of course found this post immediately. This is a 1752 Santiago Chile 8 Reales Pillar Dollar.
Looks cleaned but certainly doesnt give off any “replica” vibe to me- but ill admit im still new to thia level of detail.
26.24g, 39.1mm OD
My biggest concern was indeed that im not seeing anyone else with a 1752. Bought on ebay for $400.
Aureo and Calico catalog does not mention this year also, and lettering is different too (Ferdinandus is the original) so…it seems that too many things to consider original coin.
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