Round and Straight needles

Would anyone happen to have a picture of the different needles? Or can find a picture of an example.

Can you help with this question? I have tried to find the coins, which might have those “needles” from UCoin, but I can't see if the they are straight or round?

Thanks for your help

Ole

@Ollisaarinen @Stalevar 

I too went through all the Ucoin pictures. I gave up. Nothing was obvious.

I have those different needles, I will try tomorrow arrange the photos.

Olli,

Thank you very much.

Ole

I need to check that if I have them.

OK here they are. 

First photo is the straight needles, 1 markka 1943 and the second one round needles 1 markka 1947.

I do have different years too if needed and down here are the original photos.

If needed I do have also almost all those mentioned variations, like H letter differencies etc.

Olli

Thank you, Olli,

the mint mark placements are not considered as variants, but the “needles” probably, although I find it difficult to see the differences and I suppose on used coins it's straight out impossible?

I'll try to set up a documentation and then I'll be back.

Take care

Ole

Hi Oli and all

I agree - that kind of difference is too small. More to say - these coins usually are in bad and rustic conditions. Only UNC variants which are hard to get at all - might be classified. 

I am not sure what such kind of differences should be even considered, may be just as a note. The condition of mint striking I suppose were beyond the quality.  And that sharpness of needles was just flying away due to quality of metal for coins and the cliches. 

Hi all

It is indeed difficult to distinguish between “straight” and “round” needles.

But I do see a quite clear difference in the whole “bunch” of needles. I'm not an expert in finnish Marka and I don't know if that differece is due to the different mint year, but:

-the first picture (straight) shows a bunch of 4-2-1 needles; 

-the second picture (round) shows a bunch of 4-3 needles.

Could that be the detail to underline the  difference (un Ole's documentation)??

Regards

I have found the difference, not that difficult, when you “know” it. I'm working on the documentation now.

OK, here is the first go on it. I'm now trying to see, how the years NOT mentioned are having their needles.

OK, here is the second go on it. I'm now trying to see, how the years NOT mentioned are having their needles in my collection..

The yellow boxes are for the coins in my collection, I have been through all my coins.

Take care

Ole

I'd say that 1952 should be straight, mine is straight and based on our catalogs it should be straight, not round.

It is true that most coins are in bad and rusty condition and the difference is not easy to notice. That cointype has several minor differencies and in our catalogs they have own variation number. The first description you Ole made is fine, just notice my comment regarding year 1952.

Regards,

Olli

ok, I will check my coins as well today to see what I have too

Thank you to everyone for the help on my inquiry about this coin.

If you all agree, I'll submit the CR with this graphic?

OK for me.

The ‘in my collection’ part seems out of place for a catalog infographic.

If you are unsure about the occurrence leave it out and add it as a text underneath the picture so it can be changed more easily.

I agree, so this will be it?

Well well. I have 34 coins, surprisingly 50/50% are straight and round types :) 

The years are following:
Straight needles: 1943 - 4 coins, 1944 - 3, 1945 - 2, 1946 - 2, 1950 - 3, 1951 - 2 and 1952 - 1. All in swap. 

Round needles: 1946 - 1 coin, 1947 - 4 coins, 1948 - 5, 1949 - 5, 1951 - 2. All in swap! 

Interesting selection - seems clear when different cliches were used. 

To be fair also - it is TOTALLY RANDOM selection of coins - I just bought a pack with random Finnish coins in a second hand and that was in the pack. :)  

hi, that seems to confirm?

No, 1949 - no straight, 1950 - no round 

Thanks

Stalevar

No, 1949 - no straight, 1950 - no round 

 

Thanks

I have the straight from 1949 and the round!

ah ok. Then fine

Thank you very much Olli and Ole. Even after the detailed pictures of Olli I still had no clue what I have to look for. It was only after the yellow marks on Ole's documentation I saw what's it all about and then it's so obvious I wondered why I didn't see it myself sooner.

What immediately struck my eyes looking at Olli's pictures, something christianvl also saw, was the straight line of the second row of needles which is not on the first picture:

Yes, that's true, well noticed, but how would describe that? The “straight” would be straight and chaotic and the “round” would then be round and flat… 

I will not change the graphic, because of this, only if we find some 

“Straight” with straight and or round or straight second layer or

“Round” with chaotic or round second layer.

Can you agree?

Of course. Your graphic is perfect. Your yellow marks make it so easy, before that I honestly didn't know what to look for. So I kept looking and saw the straight line on the second row. But showing all differences makes a graphic more complicated, so stick to the most obvious one, like it is now.

By the way, there's still a mistake on this graphic of you, the text under the middle and third coin don't correspondent with the picture:

Did you already made a change request for that?

I'll check it and modify it.

Can I make the CR?

Excellent.

Essor Prof

Excellent.

Not quite. This graphic only applies to KM# 902.2.

CR was not made yet, so no problem:

rsirian1

 

Not quite. This graphic only applies to KM# 902.2.

Okay, I hadn't seen there was a problem too, I've only looked at the text under the pictures.

I have made the CR for this graphic