2 variants of bee mark location - 1867 5 franc

I noticed two positions of the bee symbol and a different distance of the number 7 from the bottom edge of the coin. Should I treat this as a variant? I couldn't find any information on this on numista. Thanks in advance for your help.

Personally, I would not add it in as a new line variant but I would add a note (preferably with picture) to say that the bee location can vary slightly in placement.

I'm not an expert on this era of coins, but I'm given to understand it's quite common for coins to be slightly different because the dies were worked by hand which makes making exact reproductions of the “original” (or “master” ) very difficult.

It also prevents the Numista page from getting very cluttered. There's some Victoria coins where it has distinct line variants like “1867 with 14 berries and 9 leaves on her wreath”, “1867 with 13 berries and 9 leaves” etc etc

I find that's too excessive & makes Numista quite imposing to a new collector (certainly put me off joining for maybe 5+ years from when I initially discovered it).

It's always a problem, what to put in year lines and what not? The sure thing is to add all kind of variants into the comments section with adequate graphics, then at least the interested collectors can find out what they have. When the variants cause a year line, you always have the problems of collectors collecting by type only, and for them any year line is good. When a year collector swaps with a type collector, you very often have the problems of “what you sent me was not the variant you had entered in your year line!!!!”.  That is the truth, the same goes for mints….. try India or Germany! Type collectors will normally not give you the mint (better said: not the mint shown on the coin in question).

Therefore, it is difficult to say, when a new year line is needed, since we don't know, if double coins will be entered correctly, you see what I mean?

Ok, thank you for all the answers. 

I like to find variniants/varieties in my coins. For example, there is specialised printed catalogue of polish coin variants/errors/types and I was thinking there is something with french coins.
Anyway, today i've received second coin, here is comparision of them.

I;ve noticed, that also A mint mark has different location. Since that there are two types because of different location of “I” in Louis Philippe I coin, i was thinking this might be also version.

Mint marks are, more often than not, not stamped on the mother die, so when a new die is needed a qualified mint worker takes the mint mark stamp and a Hammer and add it to the daughter die by hand, which of course gives room for a new placement. We see that on many coins from many different countries.

Normally, these “errors” are not taken into account as variants. It did happen, though, that some catalogs, some referees accepted them as variants!

I've tried in vain to find a site showing all the different placements of the mint marks on the US cents, maybe somebody @rsirian1 might be able to give it to us again? Then you'll understand why we cannot take MM placements into account, and certainly not as year lines.

I still think, you should show your finding in the “comments” section…

Sjoelund

I still think, you should show your finding in the “comments” section…

Im new to this forum, what do you mean ?

 On your link it is these two sections 

Bonjour,

Quitte à comparer vos deux exemplaire, est-il possible de comparer également les inscriptions sur les tranches?