While caution is always good, general contempt for everything coming from China is ridiculous - their science & technology are already as advanced as those of the “west” and in many fields even better.
Of course they can do most thing any other developed country can do if they want to (a reason they shouldn't be classed as a developing country any longer). But they often don't because if you can make a yuan or two more why not put a little poison in food or paper in bricks 🤑 (yes, most often these practices are to the detriment of their own people … but some things slip through).
And if the company that contracts the Chinese company to make products they sell doesn't check for or care about substandard products whose at fault? If Docsmagic advertises these as No-PVC and Polypropylene they have to be the ones to validate that.
On a more practical note: has anyone had problems with pages or 5x5 flips?
My experience, although just 5 years long, shows no evidence of deterioration in any of the products I've been using and they come from China, USA, Portugal, Germany.
but before I found them, I used to have them from all over the world (I use them for my doubles only) and since I put the coin into a small 2x2 envelope (chemical neutral), which I then introduce in the placeholder in the plastic sheet, it doesn't really matter if there's any PVC or not.
So if you put your coin into a coin holder, I would again say, the 2x2 sheet's chemical content is of no real importance.
but before I found them, I used to have them from all over the world (I use them for my doubles only) and since I put the coin into a small 2x2 envelope (chemical neutral), which I then introduce in the placeholder in the plastic sheet, it doesn't really matter if there's any PVC or not.
So if you put your coin into a coin holder, I would again say, the 2x2 sheet's chemical content is of no real importance.
Been putting 2x2 holders into sheets for my Silver Coins.
Those are exactly the same as I bought earlier this year. Worst crap I ever got. Seams between the pocket and at the side would separate just by putting a flip in them. Fortunately I only got one 20 pack. Unfortunately, I didn't get around to trying to use them until the return window closed.
My guess is they had a rash of bad ones from their supplier which they didn't catch and have pulled all stock from stores (at least Amazon) until the issue is fixed. Interesting that they are Made in USA and not China.
And if the company that contracts the Chinese company to make products they sell doesn't check for or care about substandard products whose at fault?
I've been told that Chinese culture doesn't have the word “no”, which means you will get what you pay for.
You've been told wrong. It's preposterous to think the Chinese operate that way. There wouldn't be nearly as much products exported from China if that were true. Besides:
Seems so - I bought a 100 pages pack 2 yeats ago (used about 80) and didn't have problems, even after multiple insertions/removals!
I forgot to say that I use mine in a rather tough way? In one sheet I have 20 doubles. I have 50 sheets in a wine box and 10 boxes at the moment. In my doubles list, around half of my doubles have sheet number assigned. The other doubles are in normal paper envelopes per country and placed alphabetically in shoeboxes (16 boxes), that was my old system, which was rather slow to pick coins from. The coins touch each other and when being picked they got more handled than they were.
Now, if I start a swap, my partner will select the coins he/she needs. I then know if the coin is contained in a wine box or not, since the page number is indicated in my Excel swap list. I also know in which wine box it is contained, so I just have to find the proper wine box and the page, they are numerically sorted in the box, and the only random search I then have to do, is to select the sought coin amongst the 20 in the sheet. Furthermore, I have a reserve of around 60 2x2 double coins in front of me (all assigned to page 000), from where I then take the first unassigned envelope and write the number of the sheet on it and inserts it replacing the swapped coin. Hence, all my sheets are theoretically always full! I have a check in my Excel list counting the coins by sheet, since errors always can happen, so by the next swap I check those sheets.
It works fairly well as a system. It takes a long time to empty my shoebox envelopes, 2 a year only. Of course, it's heavy work to take all those wine boxes into my living room, when I have a concluded a swap and need to pick the coins. I try to make several swaps at the same time to minimize the physical effort of carrying the boxes from and to my store room. I can really feel age is coming, but I still enjoy my hobby….
And if the company that contracts the Chinese company to make products they sell doesn't check for or care about substandard products whose at fault?
I've been told that Chinese culture doesn't have the word “no”, which means you will get what you pay for.
You've been told wrong. It's preposterous to think the Chinese operate that way. There wouldn't be nearly as much products exported from China if that were true. Besides:
You are right that the Chinese language has the word “no”.
What I was told is that Chinese culture does not have the word “no”, the Chinese will avoid this word, especially when doing business, the latter being the context.
I was told this by an acquaintance who used to be a procurer at one of our national home appliances chains. Most of what they sell is produced in China. He told me that Chinese producers never would say “no” to the price asked by the buyer, but would accomodate the quality of the goods to the price. The home appliances chain will get such a low price that they wouldn't even care about the quality since they can afford having loads of claims on the products and still have a profit.
This also explains why online Chinese vendors are able to sell anything dirt cheap, but the cheapskate buyers are in for a lottery whether the stuff actually works. You get what you pay for.
You are talking about Chinese companies selling their own product. I am talking about a non-Chinese company contracting a Chinese company to make a product to the non-Chinese company's specifications. How long do you think the non-Chinese company will continue to use the Chinese company when they specify “make from Polypropylene” and the Chinese company delivers product made from PVC? The Chinese are anything but stupid.
You are talking about Chinese companies selling their own product. I am talking about a non-Chinese company contracting a Chinese company to make a product to the non-Chinese company's specifications. How long do you think the non-Chinese company will continue to use the Chinese company when they specify “make from Polypropylene” and the Chinese company delivers product made from PVC? The Chinese are anything but stupid.
If we need to find out who is stupid, my guess would be the company that doesn't want to pay extra for Polypropylene. 🙂
Sorry but I'm trying to figure out what you're trying to say. Are you saying that docsmagic.de is stupid because they advertised their sheets are PP knowing they are really PVC even though PP is cheaper than PVC.
Sorry but I'm trying to figure out what you're trying to say. Are you saying that docsmagic.de is stupid because they advertised their sheets are PP knowing they are really PVC even though PP is cheaper than PVC.
I have described a modus operandi in general terms.
Sorry but I'm trying to figure out what you're trying to say. Are you saying that docsmagic.de is stupid because they advertised their sheets are PP knowing they are really PVC even though PP is cheaper than PVC.
I have described a modus operandi in general terms.
I have not mentioned any specific company.
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And if the company that contracts the Chinese company to make products they sell doesn't check for or care about substandard products whose at fault?
