Request new Issuer region for Spain: Canary Islands [solved]

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This message aims at: requesting the creation or the modification of an issuer in the catalogue

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Name of Issuer: 

 

Eng: Canary Islands

Fr: Îles Canaries

Sp: Islas Canarias

 

Wikidata code:  Q5813

 

Some Coins for this issuer: 

 

https://www.imperio-numismatico.com/t172980-maravedi-de-fernando-ii-y-juana-i-de-1513-sevilla-para-canarias-a-nombre-de-los-rr-cc-vte-tipo-i

http://revista-hecate.org/files/4716/0762/6442/Garcia_Gonzalez_2020.pdf

https://studylib.es/doc/6600365/el-nacimiento-de-la-primera-moneda-canaria

 

A book/catalogue for this issuer: ISBN 978-84-09-38000-8

S. M. MEDINA GIL, Canarias. Monedas y resellos. Siglos XIV-XVIII, 2022. 

There are countermarks of Canary Islands on Spanish coins, but not coins as far I know.

 

The catalog administrators must decide whether a coin countermarker can be considered an issuer. I don't know if there is any precedent in Numista.

Referee for Spain, Iberia (ancient), Suebi Kingdom and Visigothic Kingdom

Generally speaking, the place doing the countermarking is considered the issuer, so I don't think this should be a problem. Probably somewhere else in the catalog we could find an issuer which only had a few countermarked coins. 

 

I can also find this recent sale of a coin with the star countermark:  https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=11873295

Hi team this is here we have a double countermarked coin sold in a recent auction: Star and Palm Tree:

 

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=11873294 

zegeri

There are countermarks of Canary Islands on Spanish coins, but not coins as far I know.

 

The catalog administrators must decide whether a coin countermarker can be considered an issuer. I don't know if there is any precedent in Numista.

 

 

Hi zegeri , here you have an example with Azores. This issuer had some different  worldwide  countermarked coins, an example shown  in numista : N#101837

Status changed to Started (tdziemia, 26 Oct 2024, 18:22)

The issuer has been created.

 

Any idea on the Ruling Authorities that are appropriate?  It seems host coins are from about 1497 to late 1500s? 

Charles III prohibited countermarking coins in the Canary Islands at the end of the 18th century, so I assume that it was done on several occasions between the 16th and 18th centuries. I don't know any catalogue and they are not in the general Spanish catalogues.

 

SherlockCoins, do you know the rulers? Have you the book “Canarias. Monedas y resellos. Siglos XIV-XVIII” by S. Medina.

Referee for Spain, Iberia (ancient), Suebi Kingdom and Visigothic Kingdom

zegeri

Charles III prohibited countermarking coins in the Canary Islands at the end of the 18th century, so I assume that it was done on several occasions between the 16th and 18th centuries. I don't know any catalogue and they are not in the general Spanish catalogues.

 

SherlockCoins, do you know the rulers? Have you the book “Canarias. Monedas y resellos. Siglos XIV-XVIII” by S. Medina.

Actually this coins have their own catalogue by S. Medina . They were discovered a couple of years.  It is the forgotten or little-known part of Spanish numismatic, for this reason they do not yet appears in general Spanish catalogues. 

 

I don't have the book right now  but I could provide information with the help of the author. 

tdziemia

The issuer has been created.

 

Any idea on the Ruling Authorities that are appropriate?  It seems host coins are from about 1497 to late 1500s? 

Hi tdziemia , I don't   know the authorities of the main islands, but on the island of Lanzarote, Fuerteventura and El Hierro coins have been found with countermarks made by local lords. 

SherlockCoins

 

Hi tdziemia , I don't   know the authorities of the main islands, but on the island of Lanzarote, Fuerteventura and El Hierro coins have been found with countermarks made by local lords. 

 

No, the rulers Juana, Fernando, Carlos I, Felipe II, … until Carlos III. Which ones were the kings when the marks done?

Referee for Spain, Iberia (ancient), Suebi Kingdom and Visigothic Kingdom

zegeri

SherlockCoins

 

Hi tdziemia , I don't   know the authorities of the main islands, but on the island of Lanzarote, Fuerteventura and El Hierro coins have been found with countermarks made by local lords. 

 

No, the rulers Juana, Fernando, Carlos I, Felipe II, … until Carlos III. Which ones were the kings when the marks done?

Depends of the countermark:

 for example the “bamba” was minted in 1734 (Felipe IV)

Photo source, “Monedas Historicas de Canarias” La Provincia 

Countermark “Palma” was minted in 1559 , during  Felipe II reign.  Ordered by Cabildo de La Palma. Here there is a document (Spanish), from “Revista de Estudios Generales de la Isla de la Palma (2024)”, speaking about this countermark:

 

 https://mdc.ulpgc.es/files/original/0837dad4446d7ab1758753e6b611c91a58ffb026.pdf

 

Good morning from the Canaries I found this article (from the “Monedas y resellos. Siglos XIV-XVIII, 2022” author),    about a special coin minted in Seville for this territory , the “Maravedí de Canarias” :  

 

https://wearenumismatics.com/primera-emision-monetaria-reyes-catolicos-maravedi-canarias/

 

Remember all coins are coming  from out of Canaries, due to not existence of mines/materials, necessary for minting coins. Countermarks where made by  locals  issuers.   

 

 

Countermark “B”, for Lanzarote 

 

(The king Enrique III granted monetary power to Jean de Béthencourt )

 

https://monedamedieval.es/portfolio-items/momeca-69-4-jean-de-bethencourt-contramarcas-para-lanzarote-inicios-del-s-xiv

@tdziemia was it finished?

Hi, the issuer is created . 

Status changed to Done (Compendium, 17 Dec 2024, 00:32)

Still pending its flag

https://es.numista.com/forum/topic153681.html

Referee for Spain, Iberia (ancient), Suebi Kingdom and Visigothic Kingdom

zegeri

Still pending its flag

https://es.numista.com/forum/topic153681.html

 

Seems to me a modern flag?

Compendium

zegeri

Still pending its flag

https://es.numista.com/forum/topic153681.html

 

Seems to me a modern flag?

Yes, but very close to the flag of the XVI century → https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandera_de_Canarias#/media/Archivo:Estandarte_Real_de_las_Islas_Canarias.svg

History of Canarian flag → https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandera_de_Canarias

Referee for Spain, Iberia (ancient), Suebi Kingdom and Visigothic Kingdom
Status changed to Started (Compendium, 17 Dec 2024, 19:09)

Working on the ruling authorities now.

tdziemia

Working on the ruling authorities now.

The ruling authorities are already there. What is missing is the flag.

Referee for Spain, Iberia (ancient), Suebi Kingdom and Visigothic Kingdom

Still waiting the flag to be uploaded.

Referee for Spain, Iberia (ancient), Suebi Kingdom and Visigothic Kingdom

zegeri

Still waiting the flag to be uploaded.

Flags are quite cumbersome to produce and cannot be dealt with from mobile device (which is my environment when I work on Numista)

It's why flag requests are so laggy :-)

Status changed to Done (Compendium, 7 Jan 2025, 19:24)

Done

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