Guatemala 25 centavos coins

As you can see 25 Centavos 1979 has had letter G as KM# 272, Schön# 57, N# 7372, (N#7372) or KM# 269, N# 4336 (N#4336) but ends as KM# 278, Schön# 57, N# 2437 (N#2437) or KM# 278.7, N# 42557 (N#42557)

On Guatemala 25 Centavos 2000you can see other differences. The numbers as KM# 278.7, N# 42557 (N#42557) but other side had dots by years side as KM# 278, Schön# 57, N# 2437 (N#2437) 

Both coins has diameter - 27 mm

N#8773

this one is my favorite in this series 

27 mm also

Haiduk

As you can see 25 Centavos 1979 has had letter G as KM# 272, Schön# 57, N# 7372, (N#7372) or KM# 269, N# 4336 (N#4336) but ends as KM# 278, Schön# 57, N# 2437 (N#2437) or KM# 278.7, N# 42557 (N#42557)

 

On Guatemala 25 Centavos 2000you can see other differences. The numbers as KM# 278.7, N# 42557 (N#42557) but other side had dots by years side as KM# 278, Schön# 57, N# 2437 (N#2437) 

 

Both coins has diameter - 27 mm

 

What do you really want to say? Concentrate and make it clear, please.

Sjoelund

Haiduk

As you can see 25 Centavos 1979 has had letter G as KM# 272, Schön# 57, N# 7372, (N#7372) or KM# 269, N# 4336 (N#4336) but ends as KM# 278, Schön# 57, N# 2437 (N#2437) or KM# 278.7, N# 42557 (N#42557)

 

On Guatemala 25 Centavos 2000you can see other differences. The numbers as KM# 278.7, N# 42557 (N#42557) but other side had dots by years side as KM# 278, Schön# 57, N# 2437 (N#2437) 

 

Both coins has diameter - 27 mm

 

What do you really want to say? Concentrate and make it clear, please.

I would like to understand what N#  or References are these coins from Guatemala?

The 1979 coin

Thank for help,  But  why the coin  that I have, have these differences? Do you think it can be fake? See Att.

You are comparing two different years….. there is nothing to explain, they are not variants, just different types 

1979:

1988:

You could have done that by yourself, you had all the necessary data🙄

Thank you,

I just check with the photo from your previous answer, where 1979 has image from 1988. I can not found that image that you sent for me in the last answer. Where do you take correct photo?  How can i found that image (correct) on the site? I use N#2437

Sorry for taken your time.

with respect 

No problem, Numista does NOT show the 5 different sub-types, so I used the images from my Krause & Mishler catalog(KM or SCWC), which is the basis for the Numista catalog, but sometimes the guys copying from KM didn't do a good job, and you're the first having noticed it, bravo.

In numista there is the in the comments section:

which is not very easy to visualize!

Here are the images from KM:

Without images:

Again with images:

I set this up for you and for numista

Thank you very much Ole, 

for the perfect explanation. Special thanks for adding photo for all varieties of Guatemala 25 Centavo 1977-2000. Before I wrote the topic for 25 Centavos I read that it has different  varieties, but I can not found photo for the mine one. Specially with Krause & Mishler catalog that I try right now, I'm failed.  :-(  The link https://www.krause-systems.co.uk/fileadmin/user_upload_en/onlinekatalog/index.html is unsuccessfully loading already about 10 minutes. I appreciate your help.

With respect.

Haiduk 

Hi haiduk

Glad I could help you.

Try to borrow the KM catalogs at your local public library. 

Take care

Ole

Sjoelund, with great intrest have I studied your image for each variety. There are however some differences with coins I have in my collection:

I have a 1986 coin which should be KM#278.5:

Mine is different. If you look at the rifles on the reverse you will notice that in my example the rifle points straight at the U in Guatemala. On your image it points between the U and A?

I also have a 1995 one where the rifle point between U and A, but the obverse is smaller than your example which you can clearly see around the 25 (more room, smaller bust)?

Other denominations have similar ‘diversions’ so in general I have given up trying to find all variations and just catalog them according to year, without differentiating too much.

But perhaps you have an answer and I'm just looking at things wrong!

With kind regards,

Tony.

Guatemala is a difficult country. They change the design almost every year. Sometimes the change is a bit bigger and then they get subnumbers. Sometimes the change is very minor so they stay within the same subnumber.

And that's your problem. You are comparing different dates. They have the same subnumber but they are different dates and different dates have minor differences.

In the past, the coins of Guatemala had the subnumbers in the year lines. But now they are removed and that's a bad thing. It's no problem for the 25 centavos but it is for the 10 centavos for instance:

As you can see, there are 2 year lines for 1986, without any further explanation. Although there's a difference, one is KM# 277.4, the other one is KM# 277.5:

Obverse: KM#277.5 has incuse lettering on shield while KM#277.4 has lettering in relief on shield.

Reverse: KM#277.4 has plain field around monolith while KM#277.5 has bushy field around monolith.

When there are variants in the same year the subnumbers have to return in the year lines! @Some_Nerd 

Essor Prof

 

When there are variants in the same year the subnumbers have to return in the year lines! @Some_Nerd 

Is that screenshot from a fast input search result or from the coin page?  The new “reference numbers on year lines” may not work with the old interface or maybe just a glitch in the new feature. See https://en.numista.com/forum/topic149970.html#p1184050

rsirian1

 

Is that screenshot from a fast input search result or from the coin page?  The new “reference numbers on year lines” may not work with the old interface or maybe just a glitch in the new feature. See https://en.numista.com/forum/topic149970.html#p1184050

 

That's a screenshot of a catolog page, I'm still using the old interface. I prefer the much faster input above the price information.

And yes, afterwards I've read the other posts I hadn't read yet and then I knew it had something to do with the change of the reference numbers.

Essor Prof

When there are variants in the same year the subnumbers have to return in the year lines! @Some_Nerd 

The legacy system is not supported anymore. It will not be updated and will break/become less functional over time with new features that it has no access to. The numbers have a separate field now and will not return to year line comments.

I've posted that before I've found out there was a change with the reference numbers. Or at least before I've found out it was connected to that change. I knew already about the change but I hadn't made the connection yet.