Adding the Judenburg and Oberzeiring mint [solved]

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This message aims at: requesting the creation or the modification of a mint

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Judenburg:

In the 14th century the first gold coins after ancient times weres struck within the borders of modern day Austria. They were struck in Judenburg, a town along a trade route back then. The dukes of Styria Albrecht II. and later also Rudolf IV. struck imitations of the Florin of Florence.
The Florin of Albrecht II. is already in the numista catalogue but not under the Judenburg mint because it doesn't exist yet. The Rudolf IV. Florin does also not exist yet. These are the only two coins ever struck in Judenburg.
 

 

Oberzeiring:

Oberzeiring is the oldest and most important Styrian silver mine. Records weren't kept well and when Francis I. (II.) requested to get a full history of the silver mine in the early 19th century historians found out that it was simply lost, probably burnt down in a fire. However we do know it was first mentioned in the 10th century and was very rich in silver (there is still a bit of silver there today).

Originally the silver was all transported to Graz to mint coins there and it is one of the main reasons for the wealth of the city of Graz in medieval times. However coins were also struck directly in Oberzeiring, not a lot is known about them and there are only a few confirmed coins because as said before, records were either not kept or lost.

Fun fact: the name “zeiring" has the same celtic origin as the name of the swiss city “Zürich”. Meaning “somewhere with at a body of water”.



If you want a soruce for my information: the Judenburg one is basically common knowledge and I have no idea where I would find that and for the Oberzeiring one I have read the book about the known history about it.

Thanks for the information but that's not how you state sources .😅 If it is common knowledge there should be plenty of documents mentioning it and please give the book title for the second one.

If we have a coin in catalogue, it is better to add a link to requests like this.

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ah okay yeah makes sense

I added first one as the mint was already in title

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Status changed to Started (Compendium, 24 Jun 2024, 19:59)

Unless you link coins struck at Oberzeiring I'll have to close this request

I went on to search and found something: https://www.erih.net/i-want-to-go-there/site/historic-silver-mine https://www.ma-shops.com/saenn/item.php?id=43045

I have added the mint.

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Status changed to Done (Jarcek, 8 Jul 2024, 08:29)

Ok but those coins seem to be linked with Graz currently

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Auctions often state “Graz oder Oberzeiring”

Maybe a comment into Graz mint description could be sufficient.

My point being that apparently no one actually state a precise type was struck there, at best we know some coins were minted there but which ones?

My personal feeling would be that it is a misatribution. First there was a mint next to/within the mine, then hundred years later, mint in the Graz itself.

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Basically: Most of the silver mined in Oberzeiring was transported to Graz to be minted into coins there. Some were minted directly in Oberzeiring though.  Buuut sadly in the 18th century people wanted to compile a history of the mine and mint but found out that most of it had been lost.  

MK-ATW-KHM | Tablett (ikmk.at) coins in the vienna coin cabinet that are confirmed to be struck in Oberzeiring 
MK-ATW-KHM | Tablett (ikmk.at) coins that might be struck there. You know, it's kind of hard to figure out where medieval coins were struck without any records.

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