Can anyone value a 1937 George vi proof UK penny HP mint mark

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Fantastic example of nearly a 100 year old coin

 

 

Proof version/HP mint mark 

 

Actually have 100s of these, have to sort which years I have in proof and which are just normal. Bought as part of a huge collection from someone's daughter who had passed away 

 

Not sure what to value this at seen mad figures on eBay

I'm sorry, the photo shown is not of a proof coin. It shows substantial wear of the details and parallel scratch marks indicating harsh cleaning. Proof coins have a mirror-like finish. You might consider putting the entire lot up on EBay for auction, which would hopefully fetch a fair market price. If there are any actual proof or mint state coins, these could be sent for grading then sold individually. 

Yeah that's just a polished to death coin if all of your hundreds look like this it would be a shame.

Here's the listing for this coin on Numista

 

N#669

 

The HP below the neck indicates the engraver's initials, rather than a mint mark. The mint is listed on Numista as Royal Mint (Tower Hill). 

Anyone a link to the proof I have literally 100s untouched not cleaned 

Here's an example of a graded proof coin (I don't see a listing for the proof coin on Numista):

 

https://www.pcgs.com/auctionprices/item/1937-great-britain-penny-proof-ngc-pf-67-bn-pop-1-none-graded-higher-top-coin/203596/-1197381308295880764

 

I hope you are lucky and have some in high grade among the hundreds you have. You might find some in mint state, but it is rare to find a proof coin among circulated coins (because proof coins are bought from the mint by collectors and stored in protective holders, without circulating). 

 

You might want to take photos of a few of the highest quality coins from the lot and post them here, for members to advise with respect to grade. 

andrewleonard580

Anyone a link to the proof I have literally 100s untouched not cleaned 

you have others without fingerprints?

Jamais l'or n'a perdu la plus petite occasion de se montrer stupide. -Balzac

andrewleonard580

Anyone a link to the proof I have literally 100s untouched not cleaned 

N#669

This was shared in the post immediately before yours.

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Can you show us some that you think are Proof?  

andrewleonard580

Anyone a link to the proof I have literally 100s untouched not cleaned 

IF you have hundreds of them why do you post only pictures of very circulated and/or polished to death coins? Or do you perhaps think that shiny equals high grade?

You may find it helpful to review some information on coin grading. Here, for example, is a site on grading British coins. 

 

http://wybrit.com/info/Grading.html

 

Personally I would grade all the coins shown as approximately Very Fine (VF). The fact that they all appear to have been cleaned will decrease the value somewhat compared to coins that haven't. 

Because I am new to coins, made mistakes of polishing a few, I have bucket loads

Hello, Has a British piece of One Penny dated 1937 with the effigy of George VI.

Observed characteristics:

Bright silver colour (not bronze)

Measured weight: about 10 g

Diameter close to the standard penny (~30.8 mm)

Visual condition: very good, type proof aspect

Pretty. Did you plate it yourself?

No ! 

fjjohnson

Pretty. Did you plate it yourself?

No, why ? 

Because someone did, hence the silver color.

fjjohnson

Because someone did, hence the silver color.

According to chatgpt, it is a real piece according to its shiny silver colour and weight (~10 g), it is clearly not the classic bronze penny.

O Some observations:

• The relief is very clear, shiny, without oxidation → it looks like a proof or pattern type.

• In 1937, the Royal Mint produced tests (patterns) in different metals (including silver and copper-nickel).

• The normal 1937 pennies (bronze) weigh 9.4 g and are brown/copper → so your piece is not one.

Hypotheses

1. Official essay ("Pattern") in silver / cupronickel (1937)

• Very rare.

• Potential value: several hundred to several thousand euros, depending on metal and authenticity.

Youce

 

• In 1937, the Royal Mint produced tests (patterns) in different metals (including silver and copper-nickel).

 

That is very true. Your AI buddy should have informed you that none of them had George VI on them and the only penny pattern (with Edward VIII on it) was bronze.

I'm afraid you have what is called PMD (post mint damage) with no numismatic value to any serious collector.  

fjjohnson

Youce

 

• In 1937, the Royal Mint produced tests (patterns) in different metals (including silver and copper-nickel).

 

That is very true. Your AI buddy should have informed you that none of them had George VI on them and the only penny pattern (with Edward VIII on it) was bronze.

I'm afraid you have what is called PMD (post mint damage) with no numismatic value to any serious collector.  

Thank you ! 

Youce

fjjohnson

Because someone did, hence the silver color.

According to chatgpt, it is a real piece according to its shiny silver colour and weight (~10 g), it is clearly not the classic bronze penny.

O Some observations:

• The relief is very clear, shiny, without oxidation → it looks like a proof or pattern type.

• In 1937, the Royal Mint produced tests (patterns) in different metals (including silver and copper-nickel).

• The normal 1937 pennies (bronze) weigh 9.4 g and are brown/copper → so your piece is not one.

Hypotheses

1. Official essay ("Pattern") in silver / cupronickel (1937)

• Very rare.

• Potential value: several hundred to several thousand euros, depending on metal and authenticity.

Stop listening to crap AI, it stands for Artificial Incompetence of any one who believes in the sh*t it spits out. I am sure you are not incompetent and you are able to provide other sources of evidence to back up these claims. First provide any evidence of a silver or coppernickel proof coin, catalogue entries, items for sale, sold items etc.

„If your reply or post in the Forum stinks of AI, I will call you out! Knowledge comes from experience, the I in AI stands for incompetence.“

King

Youce

fjjohnson

Because someone did, hence the silver color.

According to chatgpt, it is a real piece according to its shiny silver colour and weight (~10 g), it is clearly not the classic bronze penny.

O Some observations:

• The relief is very clear, shiny, without oxidation → it looks like a proof or pattern type.

• In 1937, the Royal Mint produced tests (patterns) in different metals (including silver and copper-nickel).

• The normal 1937 pennies (bronze) weigh 9.4 g and are brown/copper → so your piece is not one.

Hypotheses

1. Official essay ("Pattern") in silver / cupronickel (1937)

• Very rare.

• Potential value: several hundred to several thousand euros, depending on metal and authenticity.

Stop listening to crap AI, it stands for Artificial Incompetence of any one who believes in the shit it spits out. I am sure you are not incompetent and you are able to provide other sources of evidence to back up these claims. First provide any evidence of a silver or coppernickel proof coin, catalogue entries, items for sale, sold items etc.

 

So it's a fake. Thanks

It is not a fake anything, it isn’t even damage, in the general sense of that term,  

it is just a silvered penny. I have several of versions ages. It is a long tradition. 

Jamais l'or n'a perdu la plus petite occasion de se montrer stupide. -Balzac

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