Mints that provided Tradesmen Tokens to Australia and New Zealand [solved]

Could we have the following added to the Mint list thanks

1 Whitty & Brown Mint, Medal Makers, Sydney, New South Wales

Whitty and Brown was a Sydney partnership, responsible for the production of three varieties of penny tokens, circa 1860. Their issues are, following the nomenclature set by Dr Andrews in 1921, known as the Whitty and Brown tokens (which bear their portraits), Ram tokens and 'One Penny' tokens.

https://collections.museumsvictoria.com.au/articles/2552

2 Thomas Stokes, Token & Medal Maker , Melbourne, Victoria (1831-1910)

Thomas Stokes was born in Birmingham, England, in 1831. He was apprenticed to a diesinker, and migrated to Australia in search of gold. He arrived in Australia on board the 'Birmingham' in January 1854. 

In 1857 Stokes acquired a press from the W.J. Taylor-funded 'Kangaroo Office', and began to mint large numbers of tradesman's tokens as well as commence the Australian Medallic Issues. 

https://collections.museumsvictoria.com.au/articles/2499

3 W.J. Taylor, Mint, London, United Kingdom

William Joseph Taylor was born in Birmingham in 1802. By the 1840s Taylor was established as a medallist and dealer. During his career he produced a considerable number of coins and tokens, mainly for export.

In 1848 Taylor acquired many of the original dies from the Soho mint, from which he restruck many of the earlier Soho coins, including patterns. He usually repolished and re-engraved some elements of the original die before reusing them.

Taylor sent a press to Australia in November 1852 as part of the unsucessful Kangaroo Office venture. 

https://collections.museumsvictoria.com.au/articles/2538

4 Todman, London

ttps://collections.museumsvictoria.com.au › items › 65785

Token - Halfpenny, J. Hurley & Co, Wanganui, New Zealand, circa 1875, Bronze Halfpenny Token, minted by Todman, London. Issued by J. Hurley & Co, Wanganui, circa 1875.

https://collections.museumsvictoria.com.au/items/65785

5 Kangaroo Office Mint, Melbourne, Victoria, 1854-1857

Reginald Scaife, manager of the Kangaroo Office, arrived in Melbourne on 26 October 1853 on board the clipper Kangaroo. The Kangaroo had been built, chartered and outfitted by a group of London entrepreneurs looking to exploit the Victorian gold rush, which was then in full swing.

https://collections.museumsvictoria.com.au/articles/2173

5 J.C. Thornthwaite, Token Maker & Medalist, Sydney, New South Wales (1820-?)

John Craven (J.C.) Thornthwaite was the first person to manufacture tokens and medals in Australia. 

https://collections.museumsvictoria.com.au/articles/2129

6 Hogarth, Erichsen & Co., Sydney, New South Wales

Julius Hogarth and Conrad Erichsen were partners in a Sydney jewellery firm that struck silver threepence and fourpence tokens bearing their own name, most bearing the date 1858, and others without dates, c.1860.

https://collections.museumsvictoria.com.au/articles/2041

7 T Pope & Co. Birmingham

Brilliant Mike :) 

Stokes & Martin in Melbourne should be added as well.

Aidan.

I Think Stokes and Martin are already in the Mint list but certainly needed if not there.

thanks

MC

+1 on W.J. Taylor for British medals as well

Support Mike c on this. He is doing an awesome job in improving the Numista catalogue regarding early Australian tokens issued prior to the introduction of Australian currency in 1910

Mike

The section under ‘Australia’ should be retitled ‘British Colonies in Australia’ - as the Australian states did not exist until 1 January 1901.

Aidan.

Not quite correct, Australia became a Commonwealth in 1901. States were formed earlier. Queensland for example separated from NSW  in 1859. Colony first, (Thanks to Queens Vic for signing the proclamation) then representative government (state) shortly after.

Colony/ State - fine line between the two but consider responsible government as the defining point. No longer can blame the homeland for misgovernment.

NSW  Establishment: 26 January 1788

Responsible government: 6 June 1856

Federation of States: 1 January 1901

regards MC

mike c

Not quite correct, Australia became a Commonwealth in 1901. States were formed earlier. Queensland for example separated from NSW  in 1859. Colony first, (Thanks to Queens Vic for signing the proclamation) then representative government (state) shortly after.

 

Colony/ State - fine line between the two but consider responsible government as the defining point. No longer can blame the homeland for misgovernment.

 

NSW  Establishment: 26 January 1788

Responsible government: 6 June 1856

Federation of States: 1 January 1901

regards MC

Mike, they were still British colonies prior to 1 January 1901.

The States' constitutions were created after that to bring them into line with the federal Constitution.

Prior to that, each British colony in Australia were totally separate entities independent from one another, but were created by Acts of Parliament passed in Westminster.

Aidan.

Fair enough, should have checked before i opened my mouth,

I note that 15 June 1839 - The islands of New Zealand were annexed to New South Wales. The action was proclaimed on 14 January 1840.

16 November 1840 - The Colony of New Zealand was chartered and split from New South Wales. The New Zealand colony became the Dominion of New Zealand, in 1907.

No real concern on the wording Colony or State. 

Consider that the Australasian Tradesmen Tokens should not be in the coins area as this forces a state/ colony and then denomination grouping on items that should be grouped together by issuer irrespective of what state/ colony they were issued in.

I would suggest:

Heading:  Australian Colonies

Sub Heading:  Tradesmen Tokens (1850s to 1880s)

Description: Token - Issuer - Denomination (Location) as the heading sequence 

Either way an interesting area of collecting.

Cheers

MC

Mike,

  The word ‘Colony’ reflects the status of each entity.

The traders' currency tokens belong in the Coins section - as they circulated as though they were coins, due to a severe shortage of small change British coins.

Aidan.

Please also add 

Smith & Kemp (UK)

Allen & Moore (NZ?)

 thanks

MC

Mint: Allen and Moore, Birmingham, United Kingdom (1844-1855)

 I have 10 items from that mint. 

Here is one page, that I created, where the link to the mint is on there. 

N#313836 

Thanks, was not sure where they fitted in.

regards

MC

Thanks all.

However do need the mints added soonish rather than later as currently updating Trademens Tokens and ready for adding the appropriate mint where possible.

thanks and regards

MC

All added

For the discussion about terminology regarding subissuers > generic naming is often “state” on Numista, regardless their political status

Excellent and appreciated.

MC