Could An 1841 Russian marriage medal be partial platinum? [solved]

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Hello, I have this 1841 Russian marriage medal Apr. 16, 1841.

It weighs 29.12 Grams which is way over weight of 20.73 grams. Russia was experimenting with platinum coins around this time. The size is correct of 35.5 mm. An all platinum medal would weight about 40-41 grams. Could this be part silver and part platinum mix? It is a little thick but I dont think that it is thick enough to use an extra nine grams.

Any Thoughts on this?

Thanks! Bob

How have determined the exact volume so that you can say it's so and so much over or under weight? Especially high relive objects are non trivial or have you done a fluid measure?

The weight should be 20.73 grams. It weighs 29.12 grams. Overweight by 8.39 grams.

Sorry, I don;t know what you mean by non trivial and I don't know how to do a fluid measure. Sorry old guy here.

With non-trivial I mean it's not easy to calculate because of the topography and with fluid measure I mean a process of dunking you complex object into a fluid like on the Archimedes' principle.
I didn't know you got this value from a catalog page, one reason why when talking about specific objects you should always provide said catalog page.
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With your actual question I can't help unfortunately, could be like you said or just a slightly thicker variety. They are not coins so there is not really a set weight.

Or yours is a copy. With only 868 minted I doubt the weight could vary that much and I highly doubt the mint was messing around with platinum in the composition.  

 

Yours seems to be missing some letters:

 

 

Seems to be an restrike of the original coin there shouldnt be such an size diffence in the coin material 

rsirian1

Or yours is a copy. With only 868 minted I doubt the weight could vary that much and I highly doubt the mint was messing around with platinum in the composition.  

 

Yours seems to be missing some letters:

 

 

 

I checked all the ones sold on Heritage - Some of them have those letters and some of them don't. I am pretty sure that this medal is genuine.

My concern is the weight. What could be more heavy then silver to make these heavyer other then platinum? The person that I am ID'ing these for will send it to PCGS or NGC for authentification. Some have reeded edges, some have lettered edges and some have plain edges.

bobroth1951

rsirian1

Or yours is a copy. With only 868 minted I doubt the weight could vary that much and I highly doubt the mint was messing around with platinum in the composition.  

 

 

I checked all the ones sold on Heritage - Some of them have those letters and some of them don't. I am pretty sure that this medal is genuine.

My concern is the weight. What could be more heavy then silver to make these heavyer other then platinum? The person that I am ID'ing these for will send it to PCGS or NGC for authentification. Some have reeded edges, some have lettered edges and some have plain edges.

 

OK.  What were the weights of all the ones sold on Heritage?

rsirian1

bobroth1951

rsirian1

Or yours is a copy. With only 868 minted I doubt the weight could vary that much and I highly doubt the mint was messing around with platinum in the composition.  

 

 

I checked all the ones sold on Heritage - Some of them have those letters and some of them don't. I am pretty sure that this medal is genuine.

My concern is the weight. What could be more heavy then silver to make these heavyer other then platinum? The person that I am ID'ing these for will send it to PCGS or NGC for authentification. Some have reeded edges, some have lettered edges and some have plain edges.

 

OK.  What were the weights of all the ones sold on Heritage?

Some of them used 20.73G most likely from this website. I think they are all in slabs, so they just found a number and put it in the listings. Some of them don't have the weight listed in the listing. 

I just thought of this now. Could the weight listed in the listing on the website be incorrect?

bobroth1951

I just thought of this now. Could the weight listed in the listing on the website be incorrect?

Have you checked with pcgs/ngc what their stats say about the weight after all they grade them

There are some silver ones here with weight of 27.59 g.  https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?similar=1111394

 

Need someone who has the Bit catalog (Composite catalogue of Russian Coins) to list all the variants of this coin.

 

@Grinya 

rsirian1

There are some silver ones here with weight of 27.59 g.  https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?similar=1111394

 

Need someone who has the Bit catalog (Composite catalogue of Russian Coins) to list all the variants of this coin.

 

@Grinya 

Number of those with heavier weight are correctly called restrikes/collectors copies as i mentioned which makes sense to have been made with such a small original mintage

rsirian1

There are some silver ones here with weight of 27.59 g.  https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?similar=1111394

 

Need someone who has the Bit catalog (Composite catalogue of Russian Coins) to list all the variants of this coin.

 

@Grinya 

Much thanks to all that replyed!! I learned a lot from this thread. I guess that medals don't care about weight tolerence!!

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