Contemporary counterfeits

Let's see some images of your contemporaries!

My best bet is that you're all going to upload fake pound coins.

(Don't upload modern counterfeits though)

I pride myself on not owning a single counterfeit (mostly because I haven't bought any bulk lots but the Chinese cash one).

My possible Henning Nickel.

I don't have any but then I wouldn't put it past me getting one soon as I start going further back from George III with my half pennies !

I had a George III shilling, I sold it as a fake rather than the real coin that the dude who sold it to me listed it as.  I got more than I paid for it.

That's because a lot of contemporary counterfeits are actually worth more than the coin itself !

Quote: Mark240590That's because a lot of contemporary counterfeits are actually worth more than the coin itself !

Not George III silver shillings!

I have three contemporaries, one from Portugal and two from China. I might have more and if I find 'em I'll put them up. To be honest I'm very fond of them and I'm proud of owning them, since the only fake Chinese coins I find are modern steel-plated crap coins.

Learn something new every day I much prefer the evasion pieces that also circulated in America like George rules (really need one of these) Britains rule etc..

Mine is a George III Half Penny

George III Half Penny

I'm not aware of any fakes in my collection. Even my Morgan Dollars pass the weight, thickness, diameter and cartwheel effect tests. Should be an easy task for anyone collecting Chinese coins, even their original time period pieces were often fakes.

Contemporary Counterfeits

Quote: SmartOneKg(Don't upload modern counterfeits though)

I am a bit confused, title says contemporary and you don't want anyone to upload modern counterfeits?

Fakes that were made to circulate with less content not to deceive collectors

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic14204.html

Quote: torontokubaI am a bit confused, title says contemporary and you don't want anyone to upload modern counterfeits?

Aha by "modern" I mean counterfeits that were copied for collectors instead of being circulated. Like Chinese steel-plated dollars.

So, a modern Chinese knock off, of an old Morgan Dollar is a no.

Well contemporary suggests made at the same time period as the original coin.

I really suggest this site for anyone getting a bit of understanding of counterfeits. Mostly ancients, but it gives you a hint on what to look for.

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/index.php

and here is their World Coins files:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/thumbnails.php?album=33

Enjoy!

  Here is my favorite: Look at the smily lion and the naivity of (also) smily Maria Theresia

This is the type of thing that makes them collectible to me ! Its hilarious again it's like George rules.. Most people couldn't read so if it looked similar enough if was fine ha !

yeap.

Here is another favorite
Look at the Mexican Eagle looking like a starved-to-death chicken, catching a snake, which more looks like a worm:

I love it the art work is so shoddy it's great.

Fairly sure this is fake (weak strike, etc...)

Quote: manxcat12Fairly sure this is fake (weak strike, etc...)

Well, what is that, first?
I am not sure it is. Indeed, probably it is NOT. It makes no sense to fake a coin to the level non-recognizable. Most forgers are doing artificial ageing, artificial patina, but they never go to the extreme of "torturing a coin to death", cause, then who would pay the extra bucks for it?

So whatever your G- coin is it looks pretty real. Indeed, it is good news is it not?

BTW, I am happy to help anyone, if you are hesitant. It seems that Numista lacking expertise on judging fakes. Now, it is not that I am a guru, but there has been 1000s of fakes passing through my hands, and trust me that experience of seeing them: counts. So, PM me if you need some advice: I am not sure I can help, but I can try!

This is a thread about contemporary counterfeits. It is a Rose farthing of Charles I - Counterfeited so widely in the 1600's that the forgeries are valued in Spink (x2 the value of the original)
It has a weaker strike than the others, and poor alignment.

Quote: imrehWell, what is that, first?

This is the original. There are more types yet for me to add.
(one of these is for swapping, I have three genuine specimens)

Quote: manxcat12This is a thread about contemporary counterfeits. It is a Rose farthing of Charles I - Counterfeited so widely in the 1600's that the forgeries are valued in Spink (x2 the value of the original)
It has a weaker strike than the others, and poor alignment.

Sorry, then I misunderstood the entire mission. I am specialized in spotting "ancient" Roman and Greek coins which are manufactured on a wide scale in Bulgaria and Turkey. So I was looking for signs of artificial ageing and patina.

Heavily circulated Fugio Cent.

I have the matching continental dollar as wel, although that particular coin may be a modern restrike rather than a true counterfeitl. I'll try to find it and post picturres.

Quote: SmartOneKg...fake pound coins.

I have a fake £2.  

Cool I haven't seen one of those yet can you upload pic's

This thread made me go but a George rules 1/2d won it cheap too ! I just love how blatant all of these counterfeits are ha !

These are obvious contemporary counterfeits that I just happened to buy with other coins. I think these images might help someone who doesn't know much about contemporaries and can tell the difference form the real ones.



The one on the left is a Play Guinea from the George III era. I'm willing to trade it to members who are interested cause I don't really want it, however old or not old it may be.

The second coin is a crude contemporary of an Empire 10 Cash. This one was drawn instead of copying the same design of an other coin, like the fourth one.

This third one is a contemporary from Portugal, a cast tin coin painted to look like copper. I was surprised when I bought it for 3 bucks, as the thickness was like an inch, and the surface looked unnatural. It turns out the seller who sold it to me found it in a box of tin items, including this coin. He was willing to return the money I paid for it, but I told him that this is technically historical and whatnot.

The penultimate coin is a contemporary cast cash. It resembles the Empire 10 cash, except that it is made in cast brass. If it circulated any further it would wear away very easily, like most brass coins of the era.

This last coin is a contemporary of a Hong Kong 10 cent. I bought this fake with some 7 other fakes from Edward VII and George V in a lot for no more than 10 bucks. It took a while to confirm it's fakeness, but it took me only the second I opened the letter that these coins weren't real. They're really underweight, and the reeding is off too.



I was going to modify these photos but I didn't see a point. I decided to leave out the reverse of the first one cause it's blank. Probably should've left it anyways.

My half sovereign!  

And the reverse...



Very happy about this one, had it for a long time and never knew that it used to be a counterfeit.  

I can't really get a good image of the plating.  

I got a fake 1937 George VI crown. Possible made in China.
I think it's fake because the weight is far away from being realistic (it's about 16 grams, a real one should weigh 28.28 grams) and it's wrong aligned. This joke cost me 8 euro + shipping.  

I'll hope I find a way to sell it, because this 'coin' is part of a black page of my coin album.

"You there, counterfeit: F off. And when you get there, f off from there to. Then f off some more.
Keep fing off until you get back here. Then f off again."

Did you buy it on eBay ? You can return it for a full refund you know.

Quote: Mark240590Did you buy it on eBay ? You can return it for a full refund you know.

No, a Dutch root of E-Bay, called Markplaats.nl
It's a pretty good site though, I have found some big bargains there, but it only doesn't work the same as ebay. I could have returned it to the seller, but he probably won't give me my money back.
Perhaps I try to sell it for the exact price as I bought it for. Maybye that'll give me my money back.

no prizes for guessing the fake :)

Quote: Mark240590



no prizes for guessing the fake :)

But of course not! It's easy to see it's the one on the right.

I will upload my other cont fake later !

South Africa 1 Pond 1896   https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces9791.html

          

  Supposed to be gold, and in daylight this forgery does have a little gold-plating still showing.

Here is another of my counterfeits just shows how well they circulated too !

Fake lead 1/4 rupee from a small lot of Indian coins, now in my collection. Has nice patina.

Fake Italian one euro and a Spanish 5 pesetas, contemporary fake.

Contemporary if anyone's interested.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/181147904846?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649" rel="nofollow">
http://www.ebay.com/itm/181147904846?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

Kwangtung 20 cent, year 8

Contemporary counterfeit. Also bad quality silver.

Mexico 8 Reales 1783 counterfeit ZsRG (KM#106.2). Very interesting counterfeit using the Zacatecas mint mark (Zs) even though the Zs mint wasn’t operational until 1809. Medallic orientation. Probably early Chinese counterfeit.

I now have 3 George rules north wales evasions..

Let's bring this thread back because I find it so fascinating that evasions and contemporaries ever circulated never mind today! I can't get my new evasion pieces up until the Internet gets installed in our new place though :(

I'm not sure how contemporary this one is, but it certainly looks like it could be from 1868. It's 2 grams too light, and dull, so I'm pretty sure it doesn't have much gold in it, if any.





Here's the real coin:

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces37863.html

Very cool, I can see the "gold wash" on the coin as an attempt to copy such a high valued coin.

Time to bump an old thread, why not?

Quote: "dptashny"Time to bump an old thread, why not?

​Dan, please stop bumping threads.

It's part of my "Numista Fun Threads" project.

Anyway, the spam bots are bumping plenty of threads!

I'm starting to think that you are a spambot too!

Maybe I am

"1878-1921 Morgan Dollar Sliver Coin"

While I'm not sure my post belongs to this thread, it's worth paying attention to. New flood of fakes?

https://www.bvett.com/products/1878-1921-morgan-dollar-commemorate-coin-limited-quantity-sale?variant=1000004063140269&fbclid=IwAR3Ilmdq4MbJwkaJD1FVNBINs106zgV5PS7Np2mm1jMR_UjuOP24El3r3q0

New arrival to the collection: Russian kopek of Mikhail I - cast fake intended for circulation

Quote: "imreh"​ Here is my favorite: Look at the smily lion and the naivity of (also) smily Maria Theresia
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​Are you sure that one's counterfeit? At a quick glance it looks real but cleaned.