Tracking Number is not a proof of package sent

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Though I am relatively new on the site and not so experienced in swapping but I've realized that sharing a tracking number is not a proof that the package has been mailed. 

The tracking number, if faulty, will stop updating from initial status or will not work altogether.

There are cheaters here who are using this to cheat people and not sending coins from their side.

Dusko9 is one such cheat who did this to me and also cheated another collector I know on Numista.

 

Sharing the proof of mail should be a norm here. Those who refuse to share the proof should be reported and blocked since it shows that their intentions are not right.

Vishal Bhargava
India

I totally agree.

Un saludo desde La Habana, Cuba.
Javier Antonio Mata Pons
N° 5650 Asociación Numismática de Cuba

What other kind of proof do you suggest?

 

When swapping every member makes up his own rules and has to clearly communicate them with his partner. For instance my role is anyone with under 10 ratings sends first and I only swap via registered mail. If my partner is ok with this rule we can swap, if not then a swap is not possible.

I collect and deal in ancient Roman coin. In case you're looking for affordable ancient coins or need any help with the coins you already have send me a message.

everyone here does make their own rules when sending, but here in the UK when you post something (not using a postbox, got to go into a post office) you can get proof of postage (should be given one anyway) and it shows where/when you handed the package aswell as weight/postcode it's going to along with tracking stuff on a paper receipt.

-Ash

FlyingRedPanda

everyone here does make their own rules when sending, but here in the UK when you post something (not using a postbox, got to go into a post office) you can get proof of postage (should be given one anyway) and it shows where/when you handed the package aswell as weight/postcode it's going to along with tracking stuff on a paper receipt.

 

Right …. I think this receipt/slip is given everywhere and this is the proof required to claim from the postal service in case you want to raise a claim or a complaint for issue in delivery.

What I am suggesting is that everybody should ask for a picture of this receipt/slip.

 

When I went to the post office this time, I enquired from the guy accepting the package and he said that he can give me a tracking number without even booking the package and me paying for it. It is just a sticker that is put on the packet.

Vishal Bhargava
India

Sad thing is that here in Finland that tracking code costs apprx. 15 eur. Based on international regulations if your package is lost post office pays compensation based on the weight and if that is for example 200 grams your get 20 eur compensation + postage cost but not tracking cost (in Finland). If I send coins with value 100 eur, pay postage 7 eur + tracking 15 eur and package is lost, I get apprx 27 eur compensation, which is only 5 eur more than my total postage cost, so does it make sense to use tracking if you trust your swapping partner?

Tracking sticker (number) doesn't mean a thing: I have them at home, ready to use and only after getting a stamped slip with that sticker at the post office it can be considered a proof of sending. Whether there are agreed upon coins inside or not - only a matter of TRUST! 

It is truly unfortunate that a few use this beautiful hobby to carry out this type of scam. It has happened to me twice, on one occasion with this user https://es.numista.com/echanges/profil.php?id=365902 from the Czech Republic, only it was on the Colnet website and on another occasion with a Mexican colleague. which we changed to the catalog value and arrived at an amount of 183 usd and he only sent me the value of 10 usd with bills in very bad condition and still he had the nerve to report that I wanted to scam him, only that I did this via Facebook and I couldn't check references, all due to inexperience. I have only 4 reviews so far and I understand if you don't want to change or ask me to do it first and I am willing to do so, I only hope for transparency when it comes to the exchange. Greetings from Cuba

Un saludo desde La Habana, Cuba.
Javier Antonio Mata Pons
N° 5650 Asociación Numismática de Cuba

Ollisaarinen

Sad thing is that here in Finland that tracking code costs apprx. 15 eur. Based on international regulations if your package is lost post office pays compensation based on the weight and if that is for example 200 grams your get 20 eur compensation + postage cost but not tracking cost (in Finland). If I send coins with value 100 eur, pay postage 7 eur + tracking 15 eur and package is lost, I get apprx 27 eur compensation, which is only 5 eur more than my total postage cost, so does it make sense to use tracking if you trust your swapping partner?

I agree that registered post/tracking is costly. Most of the time I am sending coins, the cost of coins is less than cost of registered post. But I think it is difficult to trust someone you don't know after you've been cheated.

15 EUR is high. But with so much of variation in the speed of postal service it is very difficult to keep patience without an option to see the status of your package. 😊

Vishal Bhargava
India

Dejan

Tracking sticker (number) doesn't mean a thing: I have them at home, ready to use and only after getting a stamped slip with that sticker at the post office it can be considered a proof of sending. Whether there are agreed upon coins inside or not - only a matter of TRUST! 

As I said above, most of the time, the cost of coins is less than that of a registered parcel, so I think the chances of someone doing a short shipment is lower than someone not sending the package altogether. If he intends to cheat.

Vishal Bhargava
India

vbhargava71

… Sharing the proof of mail should be a norm here. Those who refuse to share the proof should be reported and blocked since it shows that their intentions are not right.

 

I almost never send coins via registered mail, and my profiles states as much. I stamp my own envelopes and then stick them in my mailbox at the end my driveway.

Ben-jamin

vbhargava71

… Sharing the proof of mail should be a norm here. Those who refuse to share the proof should be reported and blocked since it shows that their intentions are not right.

 

I almost never send coins via registered mail, and my profiles states as much. I stamp my own envelopes and then stick them in my mailbox at the end my driveway.

I don't trust my postal service. Recently a member sent me an unregistered package before I could raise it with him. Now we don't have any idea where the package is. I am afraid to send him an unregistered package so we agreed that we will wait for his package to be delivered and then I will send him a registered package.

A registered package was sent about a week after the unregistered one reached a couple of days back.

(Different countries though - Registered from Turkey, Unregistered from France)

Now I don't know how to move ahead in this situation. I feel guilty for not sending the package from my side but don't want to be on the loosing end if the package is not delivered ever. 

 

I am not aware of how trustworthy are the postal departments of other countries.
How often do you loose packets? How long does it take for delivery compared to registered packets?

Vishal Bhargava
India

vbhargava71

 

… I am not aware of how trustworthy are the postal departments of other countries.
How often do you loose packets? How long does it take for delivery compared to registered packets?

Good question, most of my swaps are domestic (within the USA) but I’ve recently had successful swaps to France, Italy, Spain, Sweden.

 

I think I’ve had only 1-2 envelopes go missing, out of 150 swaps. I’ve had maybe 5ish envelopes not reach me, but some of those I question whether the coins were actually sent. Most of swaps are like 15 coins or less.

 

If was swapping with someone from India, I’d asked them how to send the coins. And either not swap or send registered if they said that’s the only way the coins would arrive.

Olá Boas tardes

Esta questão do envio registado e não registado, depende sempre de quem envia e em que condições envia.

Fiz cerca de 70 trocas  no UCOINS ,quer a nível extracomunitário ,quer a nível Europeu e nunca tive qualquer situação, em que a encomenda não chegasse ao destino.

Tenho cerca de  10 trocas com o Chile ,e algumas com o Canadá ,e só por duas vezes as moedas que vieram do Chile  esbarraram na Alfandega. Em todas estas troca extracomunitárias o serviço de correio foi sempre registado, onde era possível quer da minha parte ,quer de quem recebia ,seguir a encomenda.

De todo que a confiança mutua é importante para este tipo de transações, independentemente da forma.

Os CTT=CORREIOS DE PORTUGAL, desde que troco moedas nunca tive qualquer problema, quer a nível interno ,quer externo com o serviço prestado no envio registado , e sempre que envio o correio registado tenho o cuidado com o embalamento porque é um fator de não ,existir a possibilidade de “saber” o que contem o envelope..

Os carteiros pela minha zona ,na entrega são um pouco lentos ,por vezes demora quase um mês para  entregar encomendas.

A titulo de curiosidade tenho 2 trocas em curso cá no NUMISTA, enviei as cartas em correio normal ,ainda não sei se já chegaram ao destino, mas  recebi ontem uma encomenda que andava em curso desde o inicio do mês de Maio .

vbhargava71

FlyingRedPanda

everyone here does make their own rules when sending, but here in the UK when you post something (not using a postbox, got to go into a post office) you can get proof of postage (should be given one anyway) and it shows where/when you handed the package aswell as weight/postcode it's going to along with tracking stuff on a paper receipt.

 

Right …. I think this receipt/slip is given everywhere and this is the proof required to claim from the postal service in case you want to raise a claim or a complaint for issue in delivery.

What I am suggesting is that everybody should ask for a picture of this receipt/slip.

 

When I went to the post office this time, I enquired from the guy accepting the package and he said that he can give me a tracking number without even booking the package and me paying for it. It is just a sticker that is put on the packet.

No Indian post office will give you the sticker by payment as  this is not allowed unless you are bribing him. if caught both he and you will be in trouble. Receipts can be photoshopped as well. Better ask the person that  you will wait  to send after a few days and then if you can track and see if destination country is correct  (somee times you can see weightalso) and if the letter reaches the international dispatch centre it is 90% genuine.  However once a very trusted SPanish swapper cheated me of over 100 euros  by sending me junk coins and the then admin was not cooperative so he got banned only after he cheated a trusted Russian swapper , Hence we have to trust as well

Ollisaarinen

Sad thing is that here in Finland that tracking code costs apprx. 15 eur. Based on international regulations if your package is lost post office pays compensation based on the weight and if that is for example 200 grams your get 20 eur compensation + postage cost but not tracking cost (in Finland). If I send coins with value 100 eur, pay postage 7 eur + tracking 15 eur and package is lost, I get apprx 27 eur compensation, which is only 5 eur more than my total postage cost, so does it make sense to use tracking if you trust your swapping partner?

Finland it costs 27 Euros  which is why I have had to stop my regular swaps with my Finland best friend collector. Compensation is 30SDRs  by UPU regulations. 30 SDR is  30 Euros apprx. Problem is in some countries cpins  get stolen in the post offices so thats why registered is safe to coins transiting or sent  to these countries  )eg Falkland coins get stolen in  UK  en route from Port Stanley to Mumbai

vbhargava71

Ben-jamin

vbhargava71

… Sharing the proof of mail should be a norm here. Those who refuse to share the proof should be reported and blocked since it shows that their intentions are not right.

 

I almost never send coins via registered mail, and my profiles states as much. I stamp my own envelopes and then stick them in my mailbox at the end my driveway.

I don't trust my postal service. Recently a member sent me an unregistered package before I could raise it with him. Now we don't have any idea where the package is. I am afraid to send him an unregistered package so we agreed that we will wait for his package to be delivered and then I will send him a registered package.

A registered package was sent about a week after the unregistered one reached a couple of days back.

(Different countries though - Registered from Turkey, Unregistered from France)

Now I don't know how to move ahead in this situation. I feel guilty for not sending the package from my side but don't want to be on the loosing end if the package is not delivered ever. 

 

I am not aware of how trustworthy are the postal departments of other countries.
How often do you loose packets? How long does it take for delivery compared to registered packets?

India Post is generally fine. Only  one case of registered loss and after I complained worker was detected on camera and sacked.   Worst is UK,  USA-Arizona, France and many complain about Italy as well. However many times unregistered letters have coins stolen but after checking cctv footage it seems to me the theft was  outside India . India issue is many times letters get seized by customs,  if without CN22 declaration of less than 1000 INR . More than that is taxable. Hence if coins are less then unregistered is fine (2 or 3 max)  otherwise registered . Unregistered  may take long time for customs clearance while registered letters take a month if opened due to lack of CN22.  Canada posts also seizes letters if they detect metaI was told hence one has to send by registered parcel ( same issue in India now)

Falves1961

Olá Boas tardes

Esta questão do envio registado e não registado, depende sempre de quem envia e em que condições envia.

Fiz cerca de 70 trocas  no UCOINS ,quer a nível extracomunitário ,quer a nível Europeu e nunca tive qualquer situação, em que a encomenda não chegasse ao destino.

Tenho cerca de  10 trocas com o Chile ,e algumas com o Canadá ,e só por duas vezes as moedas que vieram do Chile  esbarraram na Alfandega. Em todas estas troca extracomunitárias o serviço de correio foi sempre registado, onde era possível quer da minha parte ,quer de quem recebia ,seguir a encomenda.

De todo que a confiança mutua é importante para este tipo de transações, independentemente da forma.

Os CTT=CORREIOS DE PORTUGAL, desde que troco moedas nunca tive qualquer problema, quer a nível interno ,quer externo com o serviço prestado no envio registado , e sempre que envio o correio registado tenho o cuidado com o embalamento porque é um fator de não ,existir a possibilidade de “saber” o que contem o envelope..

Os carteiros pela minha zona ,na entrega são um pouco lentos ,por vezes demora quase um mês para  entregar encomendas.

A titulo de curiosidade tenho 2 trocas em curso cá no NUMISTA, enviei as cartas em correio normal ,ainda não sei se já chegaram ao destino, mas  recebi ontem uma encomenda que andava em curso desde o inicio do mês de Maio .

 

 

 

Eu troco frequentemente moedas com amigos Numistas Portugueses e as cartas chegam sempre dentro de 3 semanas. Creio que tem a vêr com o local aonde voçê vive. 

 

I frequently exchange coins with Portuguese Numist friends and the letters always arrive within 3 weeks. I think it has to do with where you live.

Cents are money too!

Javier Mata

It is truly unfortunate that a few use this beautiful hobby to carry out this type of scam. It has happened to me twice, on one occasion with this user https://es.numista.com/echanges/profil.php?id=365902 from the Czech Republic, only it was on the Colnet website and on another occasion with a Mexican colleague. which we changed to the catalog value and arrived at an amount of 183 usd and he only sent me the value of 10 usd with bills in very bad condition and still he had the nerve to report that I wanted to scam him, only that I did this via Facebook and I couldn't check references, all due to inexperience. I have only 4 reviews so far and I understand if you don't want to change or ask me to do it first and I am willing to do so, I only hope for transparency when it comes to the exchange. Greetings from Cuba

This user is still up to no good, tried to initiate swaps with me in my first week on the site.   They appear to prey on new users.  I just wanted to say thank goodness this site flagged the account as possibly scummy.. Not sure why they haven't banned it. ? 

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