Trash Coins Quiz

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Hello,

 

Inspired by @Moneytane 's term “bubblegum” coins, I decided to make a list of countries and territories that have issued garbage coins. These are coins with themes that have nothing to do with their history and only serve to sell these coins to foreign markets.

 

Here's the link

 

I am eager to hear your thoughts. Also, let me know if I've forgotten countries.

 

Regards,

Theodore

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I am not a member of that site and won't join as I am already a paying member of sporcle.

 

My term bubblegum mostly refers to coins that are excessively issued by some countries, that may be relevant - but are just overkill and cause competitiveness, greed and often sold in many permutations over face value - for circulating coins.

 

Nearly every country in the world issues NCLT that has nothing to do with them or their culture. Its mainly themes based around cars, plants, popular culture (Mostly American or European), Celebrities (Mostly American or from English speaking countries), Fad animals like Dinosaurs and Sharks, Sporting events, Movie and Cartoon franchises and cash in movies being filmed in a country.

 

I have the 2 categories - 1. Circulating crap coins and 2. Non Circulating Crap coins.

 

Other qualifications for circulating crap coins include

 

1. Excessive numbers issued or designs (Eg alphabet of 26 coins) of a base metal coin.

2. Lack of standard availabilty for circulating coins - like bubblegum coins only avaialble from a post office or supermarket.

3. Limited numbers

4. Despite being circulating, often sold at above face value in most cases and limited chances to get at face value.

5. Secondary market on ebay etc, develops before the coin is released.

6. Series contain more than 4 designs, like Alphabet series, 20 NFL teams

7. Sold in several permutations (Coloured, silver, gold, proofs, prestige etc)

8. Other gimmicks (Privy marks, mint marks, limited 1 in every 100 coins is a colour proof etc).

9. Marketing by unscrupulous companies that sell complete sets or even separate coins at mark ups.

 

Those all sum up the ridiculous Australian $1 and $2 bubblegum coins to the extreme.

 

Category One - Circulating crap (Please note this my opinion and may offend all the woke and easily offended types = wowsers)

 

Australian $1 and $2 coins like Mr Squiggle, NFL 20 teams, Great Aussie Alphabet etc

UK 10P Alphabet coins - crap as it was limited interest and companies starting selling then at £3 each. Also they have gone overkill with the 50p commem coins and now also £2. Some like Brexit, Diversity and Benjamin Bunny are universally hated. Royalty themed coins also divide people as republicanism and the “woke” fashion of opposing anyone wealthy or hereditary as thats “raciss and discriminatory” as well. Then again I doubt “woke” people would collect coins, as its a hobby that celebrates greed and ungrooviness and probably affects minorities (Not this minority collector though).

USA Quarters - More reasonable, but many designs have put people off, the females series especially - not because its women (So  feminists calm down) but because the designs are pretty awful.

India - Dozens of low value rupee coins showing hideous designs

Most 2 Euro commemoratives - vapid uninspired designs and controversial themes.

Russia - Series of town 10 Roubles and Sochi games 25 Rouble coins.

 

Next I will sum up my opinions of Crappy NCLT coins.

I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society

Crappy NCLT has some or all of these features.

 

1. Issuance in precious metals as well as base ones.

 

2. If issued in precious metals, price is way above the melt value of the metal (We can allow some extra fees for government taxes, manufacturing and licencing costs of say “Disney or American” characters larded over with copyrights). But $11k for a one ounce gold coin or $169 for a less than 1 oz of silver is manifestly excessive.

 

3. Numerous permutations and levels, like recent British “Musicians” series, cupronickel, silver, piedfort silver, proof silver, gold, extra large gold like 1kg coin etc.

 

4. Themes have NOTHING to do with issuing country like Niue's Disney Princess series, Somalian sports cars (Most Somalians don't even drive), Numerous Diana coins from Africa and Asian countries.

 

5. Odd shaped coins like the oviod “Sika” coins of Ghana showing Elizabeth etc, Pirate coins in the shape of pirate crosses and skulls.

 

6. Very large numbers of coins in a series, that can span years (ACDC coins of Australia), Piratas el Caribbeano from Cuba, Mickey Mouse character coins (Various countries).

 

7. Countries with limited recognition or “sub” status like British overseas territories like Tristan Da Cunha, Pitcairn Island.

 

7b. Coins issued in places with limited populations or circulating coins of their own - yet they pump out mountains of NCLT like Cook islands, Niue and Pitcairn (Use NZ$), Somalia (Unstable uses banknotes and coins from like 1950), Congo (One of them has a gold gorilla series, I can't tell whichn as both speak French).

 

8. Even worse bogus countries issuing coins like the Greenland series up to 50 Kroner Trimetallic coin and various American Indian states.

 

9. Excessive costs well above production and metal content (Like say $90 for a cupronickel coin worth 45 cents face value - Crowns of Tristan Da Cunha).

 

10. Semi official coins sold through “secondary” or “Private mints” - Franklin, Pojoby, westminster etc. These mints also sell standard NCLT and often charge excessive postage and handling fees as well. I forget the name, some dodgy American group (Bradford, Danbury) sold rolls of the Presidential dollaz at a marked up price in groups of 12 with a bogus sticker saying government elaed and in a wooden box that was “free”.

 

11. Deceptive coins that promote things like German silver, nickel silver - that turns out to be some base metal, or ads that have GOLD in massive letters that shine and yet the coin will be gold plated. Worst example, some Cook Islands coins about 9/11 that were like 0.05% silver, minted privately and promoted as real silver.

 

12. Overdone themes of many NCLT coins - Pop culture heros like Mickey Mouse, Madonna, Marilyn Monroe, Elvis etc

Personalities like Diana Princess of Wales, British Royals outside of British Empire, Sports stars, American Presidents especially Trump, Obama and Kennedy, Sports evenets like Olympics, Commonwealth, Americas Cup, Rugby, Cricket, Car Racing.

Fads - Disney, Pokemon, Action Heroes, Pokemon, Ninja Turtles, Lord of the Rings, American Movies period, Pirates, Dogs and Cats

Nature fads - shiny sea coins showing brightly coloured fish, Dinosaurs, Sharks, Elephants, Lions etc.

 

13. Worst and most annoying theme - Chinese Horoscope - this is DONE TO DEATH and has been since about 1996 when it became fashionable to salute China (Mainly so Chinese will buy them and not drop nuclear bombs on us for criticising their paranoid communist, human rights free regime). Yet in 2024 this 1990s fad goes on and on like Disco music sailing into the 1980s.

 

But there is acceptible NCLT too - themes relevant to a country's history, culture and nature - as long as its not excessive or a tenuous link like NZ's Lord of the Rings series - yes parts of it were filmed here, but its a novel about pseudomedieval European themes written by a South African Brit.

I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society

Some really bad NCLT countries (My opinion again)

Nearly every country has some NCLT - but these ones way overdo it.

 

1. Australia - several bullion series, circulating (Bubblegum) and non Circulating series - I estimate over 500 different kinds of coin are issued every year in every metal combination. Worst Alphabet series, Dreaming coins, Platinum and Gold nugget ranges, Coloured $2 coins and series of 20 $1 coins every few months for rugby, alphabet etc.

 

2. UK - Really crept up in past 15 years, a really bad series is the Musicians one like Elton John, Queen, Rolling Lips - there are like 10 types of each you can buy of one coin and all are hilariously overpriced. Also issues really stupid oand overpriced combos like 1kg and 7kg gold coins!

 

3. NIue - Flyspeck island belonging to NZ, it uses our money - yet private individuals mint crap in its name like Disney princess gold foil dollars and silver coins, perfume coins, Dr Who tardis coin etc - gimmicks gimmicks.

 

4. Fiji - This one crept up on me - some real rubbish of late, yet they have issued just one circulation coin since 2017. Coke bottle cap coins are their worst.

 

5. USA - Lots but mostly patriotic and the USA is the biggest market for buying NCLT along with the UK and Australia.

 

6. New Zealand - Mainly for its Lord of the Rings crap - numerous gold and silver coins issued at high prices and latter Hobbit series coins have milked the trend further. the Hobbits were a flop and these coins are virtually given away with orders. NZ is also penalised for not having any of it currency or NCLT made in NZ, its all made overseas.

 

I encourage everyone else to add to this list as I don't really study NCLT much.

I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society

Thanks for your detailed response.

 

 

In the past few years, France has issued many coins depicting Harry Potter and Disney characters.

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“India - Dozens of low value rupee coins showing hideous designs”


hideous designs, that’s debatable and you are welcome to your opinion. However, why would “low value” be a criteria? It might be low value to you sitting in NZ, but in India, they are very much relevant to everyday commerce. I would know because i grew up in India and visit there every year. So maybe you want to begin thinking more globally and not in your little bubble perhaps 

I just think they are ugly like most of India's stamps and coins. Sorry - the designs are basic and underwhelming and the Indian NCLT looks uber plain and cheap compared to other countries.

 

That is an OPINION - it does not mean I am knocking India or its people and even if I was, there is this thing called Free Speech and we are allowed to use it. Maybe thats banned in India, but in New Zealand its a democratic right. Plus I can take criticism too - I don't run off and cry or go on the defensive everytime something less than complementary about my country is said.

 

Ashlobo - I suspect your posts are labelling me as a racist as well. If they are you are playing the victim and race card mentality which does not wash with me. I have autism and tell it like it is always. Its my democratic and god given right - if you don't like it, don't read it and block me if you like I don't care.

 

I was asked my opinion about countries that issue bubblegum coins and NCLT and gave it. Every other country I criticised was Western and 3 Pacific island countries associated with New Zealand. India was the only 3rd world Afro/Asiatic country mentioned as I was worried someone from those places would attack me instantly and of course it happened.

 

Cut out rest of this comment as it seems to be open season on me today.

I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society

It’s unfortunate you cannot grasp the basic context of my previous statement and all too often you resort to playing some bizarre form of a  victim card as your rant above clearly demonstrates.  it’s quite sad really. I don’t see why I would have to be defensive regarding  your comments on Indian design. Neither, unlike you, I would see any need to try to diss on New Zealand as a country or its coinage out of some childish spite. However, you obviously do live in a bubble, because you apply your very narrow experience in your very personal setting to a global context which does not hold true. That seems to me to be the only plausible explanation to your ignorant statement on low value coins in the Indian context 

ashlobo

It’s unfortunate you cannot grasp the basic context of my previous statement and all too often you resort to playing some bizarre form of a  victim card as your rant above clearly demonstrates.  it’s quite sad really. I don’t see why I would have to be defensive regarding  your comments on Indian design. Neither, unlike you, I would see any need to try to diss on New Zealand as a country or its coinage out of some childish spite. However, you obviously do live in a bubble, because you apply your very narrow experience in your very personal setting to a global context which does not hold true. That seems to me to be the only plausible explanation to your ignorant statement on low value coins in the Indian context 

 

 

+1000

calling a coin “annoying” is beyond my imagination.

 

you don't have to buy/collect every single coin in existance, just ignore them lmao. 

but what you said about indian coins (and coins of other countries) it is very clear, as ashlobo said, you are in a bubble. 

no offense but what a garbage thread this is.

-Ash

I have never understood the reason behind starting a thread that is all about “ugly coins” and “worse designs” et cetera. What are you trying to achieve by that?

Imagine being a new collector, loving a certain movie, or game, and collect coins with these motives. Then the collector finds this website and is overwhelmed to have found a place to log the collection and meet other collecttors from all over the world. Then the collector ends up hear and learns that wht the collector collects is seen as “trash” and is no just worthless, buy people actually are laughing at it. Imagine that feeling. When your joy turns to dispair and all of a sudden you get the feeling that you have wasted hundreds and hundreds of dollars. Is this the feeling you want to create? If so, keep going.

 

Me personally, I let people collect whatever they want, and I respect that.

Um I didn't start this thread - It was Some Nerd, a Numista moderator. Yet I answer his question and you all gang up on me.

I was baited by the thread starter and felt the over censorship on CCF does not apply here, so let loose.

 

Theodore - maybe you should have added the following.

 

Replies about the question only please, please do NOT post here if you object to this question and the way its asked.  

 

So that way we don't get all these people moaning about it.

 

PS: I also criticised New Zealand's coins numerous times, yet somehow this escaped your eagle eyes?  Like tabloid papers, you only search for the bits that suit your agenda and respond to it.

I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society

Moneytane

Um I didn't start this thread

I never said you did either. It was just an oprn question to everyone. I've a few threads like these, and I've never ubderstood the purpose trashing a country's coinage, or to trash the idea of collecting e.g. movie themed coins. Can't we just be supportive to one another?

Moneytane

Some really bad NCLT countries (My opinion again)

Nearly every country has some NCLT - but these ones way overdo it.

 

1. Australia - several bullion series, circulating (Bubblegum) and non Circulating series - I estimate over 500 different kinds of coin are issued every year in every metal combination. Worst Alphabet series, Dreaming coins, Platinum and Gold nugget ranges, Coloured $2 coins and series of 20 $1 coins every few months for rugby, alphabet etc.

 

2. UK - Really crept up in past 15 years, a really bad series is the Musicians one like Elton John, Queen, Rolling Lips - there are like 10 types of each you can buy of one coin and all are hilariously overpriced. Also issues really stupid oand overpriced combos like 1kg and 7kg gold coins!

 

3. NIue - Flyspeck island belonging to NZ, it uses our money - yet private individuals mint crap in its name like Disney princess gold foil dollars and silver coins, perfume coins, Dr Who tardis coin etc - gimmicks gimmicks.

 

4. Fiji - This one crept up on me - some real rubbish of late, yet they have issued just one circulation coin since 2017. Coke bottle cap coins are their worst.

 

5. USA - Lots but mostly patriotic and the USA is the biggest market for buying NCLT along with the UK and Australia.

 

6. New Zealand - Mainly for its Lord of the Rings crap - numerous gold and silver coins issued at high prices and latter Hobbit series coins have milked the trend further. the Hobbits were a flop and these coins are virtually given away with orders. NZ is also penalised for not having any of it currency or NCLT made in NZ, its all made overseas.

 

I encourage everyone else to add to this list as I don't really study NCLT much.

The Coca-Cola bottle cap coins from Fiji are one of my guilty pleasures in numismatics since they were released around 2017-2019 when I started my entire coin collection during my middle school years. So I feel somewhat nostalgic for these Coca-Cola coins from Fiji.

 

I mainly focus my collection on all types of modern circulating and NCLT coins made since the 1990s and most people on here instead focus more of their collection on a more specific topic like a certain commemorative series or a certain date. So basically to me, every coin is a good coin.

 

But I respect your opinion though. Each person thinks differently and that what makes this world great!

I like cheese

ngdawa

Moneytane

Um I didn't start this thread

I never said you did either. It was just an oprn question to everyone. I've a few threads like these, and I've never ubderstood the purpose trashing a country's coinage, or to trash the idea of collecting e.g. movie themed coins. Can't we just be supportive to one another?

There's an old saying “If you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen”. Seriously you want sunshine and rainbows, start a thread on it and I guarantee you I won't darken it.

 

Texan Charizand gave an excellent answer - he agreed to disagree and no shade was thrown. That is being supportive to one another - not playing the victim card.

I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society

Moneytane

ngdawa

Moneytane

Um I didn't start this thread

I never said you did either. It was just an oprn question to everyone. I've a few threads like these, and I've never ubderstood the purpose trashing a country's coinage, or to trash the idea of collecting e.g. movie themed coins. Can't we just be supportive to one another?

There's an old saying “If you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen”. Seriously you want sunshine and rainbows, start a thread on it and I guarantee you I won't darken it.

 

Texan Charizand gave an excellent answer - he agreed to disagree and no shade was thrown. That is being supportive to one another - not playing the victim card.

I have no idea why you take this personal. I only said that I think we shoukd respect whatever people choose to collect, instead of trash it. If you don't agree to respect others, that's totally up to you. I couldn't care less. If you ask me the world is dark enough. We don't have to turn off every light, do we? Let's focus on the possitive things!

ngdawa

Moneytane

ngdawa

Moneytane

Um I didn't start this thread

I never said you did either. It was just an oprn question to everyone. I've a few threads like these, and I've never ubderstood the purpose trashing a country's coinage, or to trash the idea of collecting e.g. movie themed coins. Can't we just be supportive to one another?

There's an old saying “If you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen”. Seriously you want sunshine and rainbows, start a thread on it and I guarantee you I won't darken it.

 

Texan Charizand gave an excellent answer - he agreed to disagree and no shade was thrown. That is being supportive to one another - not playing the victim card.

I have no idea why you take this personal. I only said that I think we shoukd respect whatever people choose to collect, instead of trash it. If you don't agree to respect others, that's totally up to you. I couldn't care less. If you ask me the world is dark enough. We don't have to turn off every light, do we? Let's focus on the possitive things!

People take things personally when they realise a mistake/error has been committed by them.

A person smart enough to write in excellent detail about coin history and then wave the medical diagnosis card every time - irony at its best.

Agree with ngdawa - lets enjoy the beauty and positivity this hobby brings in our lives rather than dissing things.

I didn't make any mistakes.

 

I answered a question and my answer was too real for the “happiness” committee of Ngdawa and Ashlobo who got quite angry - but are now playing the whole “lets all be happy and positive card”. Fact remains was I was attacked by the mind police and will not let it go.

 

Not everything about coins is positive, its expensive, addictive and can be frustrating in the chase etc.

 

Yes I enjoy coins and collecting them, but my life has so many other things that makes me happy too. As I have found, money has not bought me happiness and I felt a lot happier when I was poor.

I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society

Moneytane

I didn't make any mistakes.

 

I answered a question and my answer was too real for the “happiness” committee of Ngdawa and Ashlobo who got quite angry - but are now playing the whole “lets all be happy and positive card”. Fact remains was I was attacked by the mind police and will not let it go.

 

Not everything about coins is positive, its expensive, addictive and can be frustrating in the chase etc.

 

Yes I enjoy coins and collecting them, but my life has so many other things that makes me happy too. As I have found, money has not bought me happiness and I felt a lot happier when I was poor.

 

You can’t seem to understand basic statements or make a cogent argument. So far all you have done is rant about how the world is ganging up on you (you are not worth the effort), bandy about your medical issues (when no one asked), accuse people of labeling you a racist (which you alone brought up) and even blame the OP for “baiting” him (you’re a grown man, act like it). It speaks to your own paranoia and possible insecurities in your personal life that lead you to be a defensive, thin-skinned individual.  That’s indeed quite sad. 

 

@ngdawa, to your point of what would a new comer to numismatics would think if they happened on this topic, my thoughts are that any reasonable person will read through the ranting and raving of the one keyboard warrior blowing a lot of hot air and not much more. Then he/she would also see comments from the rest of us and realise it’s a big tent. Im sure like myself, you also have likes and dislikes with various aspects of numismatics, but what sets us apart to someone like moneytane is that we have the good sense to put our views across without the need to constantly rant and/or diss on what others may choose to collect. 
 

Moneytane

I answered a question and my answer was too real for the “happiness” committee of Ngdawa and Ashlobo who got quite angry - but are now playing the whole “lets all be happy and positive card”.

I didn't get angry, more disappointed that you found it absurd I wasn't keen to join the rant. I have alsp no need for name calling, but I do respect our differences, so you do you. No hard feelings from side, at least.

 

ashlobo
@ngdawa, to your point of what would a new comer to numismatics would think if they happened on this topic, my thoughts are that any reasonable person will read through the ranting and raving of the one keyboard warrior blowing a lot of hot air and not much more. Then he/she would also see comments from the rest of us and realise it’s a big tent. Im sure like myself, you also have likes and dislikes with various aspects of numismatics, but what sets us apart to someone like moneytane is that we have the good sense to put our views across without the need to constantly rant and/or diss on what others may choose to collect. 

I hope you're right. I just only speek for myself, and when I was new I was very sensitive what people thought, and it would just take one to talk down of coins I was showing to question my purchases. Anf since the hobbhy is dying, I see no reason why we actively should chase away those who actually enjoys the hobby. I just don't see the point in dissing others.

Yes I thought I could join in, without being gaslighted. I am anything but a keyboard warrior - I just don't take abuse or criticism well.

I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society

In the 1960s I lived in the Marshall Islands, as a US military family dependent. I love the place and the people to this day.

But, as a  collector, I have no interest whatsoever in the coins and stamps they produce. I wish them well in their endeavor to sell stuff to raise money, but its all crap in my eyes. 

Jamais l'or n'a perdu la plus petite occasion de se montrer stupide. -Balzac

Colleagues.

Every person is original-and this also applies to his perception of coin collecting - his focus and insight into taste-design or preference for types.

There are as many collectors as there are so many possible variants.

Yes, I also sometimes use the designation of coins in humorous or inappropriate designations - but it is meant in slang.

Example:

I love American one cents- that "deviant" doesn't mean that I don't like my wife-my angel.

 

When I write that the coin is fat - of course I don't want to offend all overweight people.

 

The coin is colored-maybe only a sick person can dial properly.

etc. etc. 

Sometimes we give coins funny human characteristics.  ,, last time a coin laughed in my face,,

Last summer I wrote here that I took one coin to celebrate her birthday at their home - the place of her birth.   Greece (ancient)ThraceMesembria

  250 BC.

,, People who don't take it with humor and apply their messed up life to their entire surroundings and always see only conspiracy theories in everything, really shouldn't be part of the forum.,,

 

And yes, a coin can be ugly- And yet - I like her anyway.  😍🥰 I like all of them - and whoever attaches some fantasy to this message should see a doctor.

I am a collector - who is more?

Peace without stress and a nice collection, colleagues.

 

Ivan

Moneytane

Yes I thought I could join in, without being gaslighted. I am anything but a keyboard warrior - I just don't take abuse or criticism well.

No hard feelings from my side, at least. I don't call people names, and I very seldom intend to hur people. If I've hurt you I truly apologise. I just think we need to encourage each other, not rant on each other. I wish you all well, mate!

MIMAEL

Colleagues.

Every person is original-and this also applies to his perception of coin collecting - his focus and insight into taste-design or preference for types.

There are as many collectors as there are so many possible variants.

Yes, I also sometimes use the designation of coins in humorous or inappropriate designations - but it is meant in slang.

Example:

I love American one cents- that "deviant" doesn't mean that I don't like my wife-my angel.

 

When I write that the coin is fat - of course I don't want to offend all overweight people.

 

The coin is colored-maybe only a sick person can dial properly.

etc. etc. 

Sometimes we give coins funny human characteristics.  ,, last time a coin laughed in my face,,

Last summer I wrote here that I took one coin to celebrate her birthday at their home - the place of her birth.   Greece (ancient)ThraceMesembria

  250 BC.

,, People who don't take it with humor and apply their messed up life to their entire surroundings and always see only conspiracy theories in everything, really shouldn't be part of the forum.,,

 

And yes, a coin can be ugly- And yet - I like her anyway.  😍🥰 I like all of them - and whoever attaches some fantasy to this message should see a doctor.

I am a collector - who is more?

Peace without stress and a nice collection, colleagues.

 

Ivan

 

 

 

 

 

 

You are like a fountain of wisdom. I always appreciate reading your posts, since you phrase yourself in a very intereting and fun way.

 

Personally, I love fat coins. 😁

ngdawa

MIMAEL

You are like a fountain of wisdom. I always appreciate reading your posts, since you phrase yourself in a very intereting and fun way.

 

Wow, thank you very much - I express myself as my tongue grows and from the heart.

Thanks Ivan

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