Zeno already implemented the possibility to add a reference to Numista for some time (see example and discussion).
It is now possible to add references from Numista to Zeno categories. I encourage everyone to make use of it! Zeno is a great resource, and such links allow everyone to access illustrations of variants and specimens of the type.
Example of coin with a reference to a Zeno category. N#37508
Zeno.RU did give permission to reference Pictures with proper attributions - here is a request & permission email to these effects.
Coins dated 1935 or its equivalent including No Dates.
I am currently looking for the following coins, you can view, them on my webpage: https://coinwishlist.weebly.com/
It tends to follow under Fair Use Laws and Vladimir (the Owner of Zeno.Ru) just gave permission. As far as I am concerned, Numista is covered from a legal perspective. Numista definitely does the following (definitions can be stretch): Comments, Teaches, and Research.
Section 107 of the Copyright Act states:
the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright.
Coins dated 1935 or its equivalent including No Dates.
I am currently looking for the following coins, you can view, them on my webpage: https://coinwishlist.weebly.com/
@Idolenz, Zeno may have 100 coins pictures of the same Numista type, so it is unreasonable to use zeno links to individual coins
In general, Numista shows one coin/banknote/exonumia as a reference example. Zeno, the more pictures, the merrier. Some coin/banknote/exonumia are so freaking rare there are probably only less than 200 of them in the world.
It would be nice to have an adjacent page to the reference/main page where users can upload additional pictures of coin/banknote/exonumia in their collection with source/auction information versus external links or photos in the comment section of the main page. However, I would limit it to extremely rare coin/banknote/exonumia, say less than 500.
Coins dated 1935 or its equivalent including No Dates.
I am currently looking for the following coins, you can view, them on my webpage: https://coinwishlist.weebly.com/
@Idolenz, Zeno may have 100 coins pictures of the same Numista type, so it is unreasonable to use zeno links to individual coins
That's what my question was about. Zeno has sometimes many numbers for the same coin type or even variant. So listing a reference of a specific specimen to a coin page seems odd to me. You can of course use the reference for a certain variant in the comment section.
Zeno has blanket copyrights over its content. It also allows its coin owners to use their own images as if they owned the rights themselves. This is a huge gift to have permission to use their images at Numista. Some “old and famous” numismatists are mighty uncooperative about allowing even the best new works to use even requested individual images from theirs.
Regarding “too many of the same coin” at Zeno, yes. It defeats its capacity as a functional catalog. A lot of barely legible stuff which is also redundant ought to be removed from active duty. Zeno is already difficult by the complexity of its subject, and sometimes-opaque keying.
Regarding “too many of the same coin” at Zeno, yes. It defeats its capacity as a functional catalog. A lot of barely legible stuff which is also redundant ought to be removed from active duty. Zeno is already difficult by the complexity of its subject, and sometimes-opaque keying.
I view it as completely the opposite, zeno is a fully functioning catalogue unparalleled for research, the vast majority of coins on zeno are hand struck, no two coins are exactly alike. many are struck off centre with small flans struck with large dies and thus showing different parts of the die.
When someone requests an identification of an early Indian or Islamic coin and a ref is given to the solitary example on Numista then they will likely say that it's nothing like their coin!
There are hundreds of previously uncatalogued types on zeno and quite a few are mine but I can see there is no place on Numista for them due to strict rules regarding mandatory sources for information, catalogue or auction refs etc.
I have already reported coins in the Numista Indian sections wrongly identified or images posted upside down etc which Xavier has now corrected. Things like this simply do not occur on zeno or if they do then it's rapidly fixed!
I am involved with the cash coins at Zeno, and the Islamic sultanates of Indonesia which have cash coin imitations, jokoh, holed and unholed tin pitis. Cash coins are mostly cast, and often to a limited number of exact patterns. Showing there are just a limited number of them with specific privy marks to identify mints, dates and such becomes difficult when there are too many posted (in poor condition, as type coins). But that is not a major problem. In all areas we attempt to create a catalog-of-types function.
My specialties are bita sen and terui sen ("unofficial Vietnamese" and trade cash). I was just told there are no bita sen at Numista, I guess because too difficult? I also tried to offer corrections for a common Vietnamese dynastic coin placed under China where it used the same inscription. But the Vietnamese dynasty which issued it is not listed at all, and so cannot be put at Numista. Is it worth getting involved here? I only joined to help one particular request for information about a charm, ended up learning some things myself.
But the Vietnamese dynasty which issued it is not listed at all, and so cannot be put at Numista. Is it worth getting involved here? I only joined to help one particular request for information about a charm, ended up learning some things myself.
Hello bgriff99,
I joined Numista in 2012 similar to when I joined Worldofcoins and built a huge database for Indian Sultanate coins and have posted many hundreds of coins there, I found Numista had too many restricting requirements with every post requiring a referee to inspect so I never posted any coins. I prefer the freedom of posting on zeno and WoC which is of course primarily a coin forum but still has a huge number of coins of all types and various indexes to find what you might be looking for.
I won't post any coins here, there is no point but I will still view the identification section to offer any help.
I started to look at it, but it doesn't seem straightforward enough for the robot to take care of it.
Some categories in the comments are too generic and include multiple Numista types (example) or they have additional notes that would be complex for the robot to edit (example).
@Xavier , One of the possibility is to request referee confirmation for any addition.
Please notify here for the decision. I've started to add zeno numbers, but it takes time… If it wouldn't be possible to find automated solution, I will continue to do it manually
My personal list of scammers from Numista: erniemix, yvain, CassTaylor
