coincards variants

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I wonder why the judges have double criteria for coincard variants...
for French coincards, variations are allowed, but not for Belgian coins (I entered both versions when entering the catalog, and the judge combined it)

 

N#395552

N#383352

N#368766 … etc

 

N#394012

N#352565

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces341320.html… etc

We it's a coin catalog not a packaging one. Unless the coins are distinguishable outside the packaging they shouldn't have individual lines at all.

Idolenz

We it's a coin catalog not a packaging one. Unless the coins are distinguishable outside the packaging they shouldn't have individual lines at all.

Completely agree, only Australia and New Zealand are allowed to keep the packing in the year lines, as far as I know?

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

No one is allowed :-)

Thanks for reporting those french errors, we fixed it 

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No one is allowed :-)

Thanks for reporting those french errors, we fixed it 

N#379296

 

And in the Comments Section:

The Mint’s 2023 Festive Floral Christmas decoration coin is the perfect Kris Kringle gift for one and all this Christmas.

At a special retail price of $12.50, the Mint’s 2023 Christmas decoration coin is the perfect Kris Kringle gift for one and all this Christmas.
The stunning coin comes in a unique translucent hanging decoration in five different colours.

 

Is Numista now a sales agent for the RAM?

It's a one to one copy of either the mint site or one of the coin peddlers. Similar to most of the descriptions on English euro coin pages that seem to be a carbon copy of the central bank or mint sites.

Yeah, those comments are the worst…

Idolenz

We it's a coin catalog not a packaging one. Unless the coins are distinguishable outside the packaging they shouldn't have individual lines at all.

I don't agree with you... then why do we also have circulation data for sets and minting quality (BU set, Proof set Proof coin...) for the same coin

albinh

Idolenz

We it's a coin catalog not a packaging one. Unless the coins are distinguishable outside the packaging they shouldn't have individual lines at all.

I don't agree with you... then why do we also have circulation data for sets and minting quality (BU set, Proof set Proof coin...) for the same coin

Because the mint obviously give the mintage, but the mintage can NOT determine in which line a single coin goes.

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

albinh

I don't agree with you... then why do we also have circulation data for sets and minting quality (BU set, Proof set Proof coin...) for the same coin

Because they are different finishes that can be distinguished from another even outside their paper and plastic graves they came in (UNC and BU probably need a keen eye or prior knowledge).

Idolenz

albinh

I don't agree with you... then why do we also have circulation data for sets and minting quality (BU set, Proof set Proof coin...) for the same coin

Because they are different finishes that can be distinguished from another even outside their paper and plastic graves they came in (UNC and BU probably need a keen eye or prior knowledge).

then it is correct

 


and not like the judges have now made a mess with the mintage

albinh

Idolenz

albinh

I don't agree with you... then why do we also have circulation data for sets and minting quality (BU set, Proof set Proof coin...) for the same coin

Because they are different finishes that can be distinguished from another even outside their paper and plastic graves they came in (UNC and BU probably need a keen eye or prior knowledge).

then it is correct

 


and not like the judges have now made a mess with the mintage

 

No it's NOT correct, the grade of the coin will NOT give the color of the card, so forget the card, please be realistic?

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Can someone please merge the coincard varieties? As it is now, there's no way to log coins that aren't in their original packaging.

binarystep

Can someone please merge the coincard varieties? As it is now, there's no way to log coins that aren't in their original packaging.

On which page?

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binarystep

Can someone please merge the coincard varieties? As it is now, there's no way to log coins that aren't in their original packaging.

On which page?

N#180007

N#235414

N#303607

N#338627

N#379296

2 questions:

- do you know if mintage should be summed?

- what is PNC ?

Postal Numismatic Cover

 

(As all Australians know) A “Postal Numismatic Cover” or “PNC” is a specially designed envelope, combing both stamps and coins, bearing newly issued postage stamps which were postmarked on the first day that those stamps were placed on sale by the Post Office and a commemorative coin, all with the same theme.  (N#338627)

 

 

Are you planning to do this type merge on all Australian coin pages or just the ones listed here?

PNC is not an authorized abbreviation : https://en.numista.com/help/abbreviations-used-on-numista-205.html

 

Should we add it @Xavier @Jarcek ?

PNC = Philatelic Numismatic Cover.

It is just a Philatelic cover with an attached coin.

 

Most commonly referred to as a 'coin cover', even Royal mail reference PNC for the albums.

Apparently, Australia Post, followed by the UK Royal Mail release them the most…

 

Recently referred to as a Postal Numismatic Cover, I assume because people have started to forget what Philatelic means. 😇

-Dan

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PNC is not an authorized abbreviation : https://en.numista.com/help/abbreviations-used-on-numista-205.html

 

Should we add it @Xavier @Jarcek ?

Yes. It should be added since used in the world outside numista.

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Is it 5501 per coincard color, or in total?

inc7007

PNC = Philatelic Numismatic Cover.

It is just a Philatelic cover with an attached coin.

 

Most commonly referred to as a 'coin cover', even Royal mail reference PNC for the albums.

Apparently, Australia Post, followed by the UK Royal Mail release them the most…

The Australian Post refers to them as a Postal Numismatic Cover.  Should probably include both.

 

the Vatican also issues envelopes

 

https://www.cfn.va/en/117-showcase?q=Max.+total+printing-3%2C000+numbered+envelopes

But as they are not in Numista scope, I dont think we need it in abbreviation, except maybe for general comments where such packaging variations can be mentionned

fair is... if the criteria applies to one country, it must apply to all or none

whether this applies to official PNC or to official coin cards

albinh

fair is... if the criteria applies to one country, it must apply to all or none

whether this applies to official PNC or to official coin cards

Yes ofc

Hello,
Regarding using the abbreviation “PNC” on Numista: the general rule is that we should almost always prefer the full form rather than abbreviations. Numista aims at educating and being accessible for everyone. Using abbreviations is a barrier to understanding. 
Before adding a new abbreviation to the list of abbreviations we accept in the catalogue, we should make sure that either the abbreviation is more understandable than the full form or that we have a strong constraint to use a shorter abbreviation. I don't think it's the case here.

You guys love to attack the Australian section don't you? It is one of the best maintained, most up to date, interesting parts of Numista and I and others (Trooper8 for instance) have put countless hours of our free time into getting it where it is. I am currently working through replacing most of the pictures of coins with much better quality ones.

 

Every Australian coin collector knows what a PNC is. I have explained it before. Postal Numismatic Cover. It isn't rocket science.

They are issued by Australia Post who source the coins either from the Royal Australian Mint or the Perth Mint.

 

If you walk into a Post Office in Australia they usually have a small section where they display a few PNC's, usually fairly current ones.

They get snapped up fairly quickly by the collecting community. Some Australian collectors only collect PNC's.

We even have a special reference book for PNC's only. It is called 

“The Essential Reference Guide to Australian Postal Numismatic Covers (PNCS)”

It has 456 pages of information about PNC's with details of each release, mintages, dates, categories, themes etc etc.

 

This is the cover …….. This is a sample page.

   

 

Some Australian coins are only issued in a PNC and are never released in anything else.

Here is an example of a PNC only coin >>> N#335480

You can't get this coin unless you buy a PNC from Australia Post. It is the only way to get it.

 

Some are issued in a PNC and also in a coincard.

Here is an example of one issued both ways >>> N#75728

 

So .. If you want the Robot to go through and change every instance of the abbreviation PNC to Postal Numismatic Cover … be my guest.

Personally I think we should add the abbreviation to the allowable list. It will save on characters and diskspace.

 

This is a big World and there are a lot of different ways of doing things. There is no need to make everyone do exactly the same thing. 

Lets keep Numista interesting and vibrant and different where there are differences to be enjoyed.

 

Mike

Master Referee - See my profile for what I collect.
 

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Is it 5501 per coincard color, or in total?

The answer to your question is 5,501 per Colour (Not color) coincard. 27,505 coins of this type were minted in total. Split evenly over the 5 different colour cards. Looking at the image it seems that quite a few Numista members know which line to place their coin.

 

14 have a blue one

11 have a green one

15 have an orange one

11 have a red one

15 have a yellow one

0 are undetermined.

 

What harm is their in showing the different coincard colour types? Anyone getting the coin not in the card, and that would be very unusual as that is the only way they come out, can add it to the undetermined line.

 

Mike

Master Referee - See my profile for what I collect.
 

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No one is allowed :-)

Thanks for reporting those french errors, we fixed it 

2 Euros Olympic Games, Paris 2024 - France 2021
should be fixed too.

“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction.”

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albinh

fair is... if the criteria applies to one country, it must apply to all or none

whether this applies to official PNC or to official coin cards

Yes ofc

yes, but the discussion here is only for Australian coins...
 

the same situation applies to OFFICIAL editions
France Olympic Games 2024 - 2021… 5 version
France Olympic Games 2024 - 2022… 5 version
France Olympic Games 2024 - 2023… 5 version
France Olympic Games 2024 - 2024… 5 version
France Asterix - 2019… 3 version
France Medical Research - 2020… 3 version
 

Belgium also has OFFICIAL issues in language versions of the coin card

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