Inconsistency between Reference catalogue and Mint pages [solved]

Hello,

When I go to a mint page, Example:

I have a See the 28 coins at the bottom of the page.

When I go to a reference catalogue, Example:

The See 218 items from this catalogue is on the middle of the page.

I don't mind where it's best to have it but I would like to see those link in the same place for Mint, Printer, rulers and Issuing entities:

Just to make sure we are not lost from one part to another one :-)

Not a big topic but a little user friendly improvement.

Yes, they should have the same position and display the same text.

Now these text are used:

• In reference catalogs:
  catalogue>see_some_banknote → See %s banknotes from this catalogue
  catalogue>see_some_coin → See %s coins from this catalogue
  catalogue>see_some_exonumia → See %s items from this catalogue
• In mints, rules, banknote printing companies, and issuing entities:
  mint>see_more_banknote → See the %s banknotes
  mint>see_more_coin → See the %s coins
  mint>see_more_exonumia → See the %s medals and tokens

They can join in only three, one for each type of object.

Hello,

Just to give some context:

• The link was originally below the examples (as still visible for mints, printers and issuing entities)
• A change was needed for catalogues, because the page may list multiple volumes with different catalogue codes and it's not possible to search for multiple catalogue codes at once. Therefore the link is shown below each volume (see example) and, in an attempt of consistency, we do something similar if there is only one catalogue code (see example 1 and example 2).
• For rulers, we believe it makes sense to split the items per issuer, so we also have different links per issuer, in addition to the global links below the description.

I agree we lack consistency here. 

I suggest we align all pages on the way it is done for catalogues: a link “See XX xxx from this xxx” as a bold link below the description for all types of pages (mints, printers, issuing entities and rulers). And we keep the links per issuers for rulers in addition.

Xavier

• The link was originally below the examples (as still visible for mints, printers and issuing entities)

Xavier

I suggest we align all pages on the way it is done for catalogues: a link “See XX xxx from this xxx” as a bold link below the description for all types of pages (mints, printers, issuing entities and rulers). And we keep the links per issuers for rulers in addition.

+1

The examples bellow the link is better: the link is more visible, and the examples are visible in any case.

Xavier

• A change was needed for catalogues, because the page may list multiple volumes with different catalogue codes and it's not possible to search for multiple catalogue codes at once. Therefore the link is shown below each volume (see example) and, in an attempt of consistency, we do something similar if there is only one catalogue code (see example 1 and example 2).
• For rulers, we believe it makes sense to split the items per issuer, so we also have different links per issuer, in addition to the global links below the description.

I did not pay attention to this! Yes, it is necessary.

I also suggest moving the information of the subject to the top of the pages and the links to Numista and examples to the bottom (on some pages it is now mixed up).

To see it better, I will put what is show now. I saw the position of the information, depending on type of page (I saw example pages, maybe other pages have more information).

I mark the types of information:

Information of the subject:
1️⃣ main information

2️⃣ WIkipedia link

3️⃣ Wikidata link

4️⃣ description and other information
Links to Numista and examples:

🅰️ links “See … coins/banknotes/exonumia”

🅱️ text “Production of this…” / “Some items referenced…”

✴️ examples

Types of pages are now:

• Mint (see example):
  1️⃣ information about the mint (names, place, date of operation…),
  3️⃣ see also (Wikidata link),
  4️⃣ description, mintmarks,
  🅱️✴️ text “Production of this mint” and examples
  🅰️ links “See the xxx coins/banknotes/medals and tokens”. 
• Ruler (see example):
  1️⃣ information about the ruler (name, image, born/died date…);
  🅰️ links “See the xxx coins/banknotes/medals and tokens”;
  2️⃣ link “See on Wikipedia”;
  4️⃣ coat of arms;
  for each issuer:
          - 1️⃣ name and dates,
          - 🅰️✴️ links “See the xxx coins/banknotes/medals and tokens” and examples;
  3️⃣ using data from Wikidata (and link). 
• Catalog (see example):
  for each volume:
          - 1️⃣ information about the volume (image, code, authors, title…),
          - 🅰️ links “See xxx coins/banknotes/items from this catalog”;
  🅱️✴️ text “Some items referenced in this catalog” and examples. 
• Printer (see example):
  1️⃣ information about the printer (names, place, dates of operation…),
  3️⃣ see also (Wikidata link),
  🅱️✴️ text “Production of this printer” and examples,
  🅰️ links “See the xxx coins/banknotes/medals and tokens”. 
• Issuing entity (see example):
  1️⃣ information about the issuing entity (names, country),
  3️⃣ see also (Wikidata link),
  4️⃣ description,
  🅱️✴️ text “Production of this issuing entity” and examples,
  🅰️ links “See the xxx coins/banknotes/medals and tokens”.

Combining the Xavier suggestions and mine, the order is (I only put the mark of each information, not the entire text again):

• Mint: move the examples (🅱️✴️) to the bottom
  1️⃣3️⃣4️⃣🅱️✴️🅰️ - now
  1️⃣3️⃣4️⃣🅰️🅱️✴️ - suggestion
• Ruler: move the Wikidata link (3️⃣) to the global information, and the global link (🅰️) bellow the global information
  1️⃣🅰️2️⃣4️⃣ for each issuer (1️⃣🅰️✴️)  3️⃣ - now
  1️⃣2️⃣3️⃣4️⃣🅰️ for each issuer (1️⃣🅰️✴️) - suggestion
• Catalog: no change
  for each volume (1️⃣🅰️)  🅱️✴️ 
• Printer: move the examples (🅱️✴️) to the bottom
  1️⃣3️⃣🅱️✴️🅰️ - now
  1️⃣3️⃣🅰️🅱️✴️ - suggestion 
• Issuing entity: move the examples (🅱️✴️) to the bottom
  1️⃣3️⃣4️⃣🅱️✴️🅰️ - now
  1️⃣3️⃣4️⃣🅰️🅱️✴️ - suggestion

The side impact of the changes though would be that we will have to change the labels to those more wordy.

E.g. if I just move the 🅰️ here, it would imply that:

•  1249 coins and 105 medals and tokens do not belong to “Production of the mint”;
•  “Production” will no longer cover all the production (featuring some random types with the links to the others below).

So, following the example of catalogues, I'd have to change labels to:

• See… coins from this mint
• Production Some items from this mint 
  • (or Production Featured items from this mint) 
  • (or no 🅱️ at all?)

Overall, 🅱️✴️🅰️ is more laconic and sounds more logical than 🅰️🅱️✴️, so I'd like you to look once again if we really need a change to Mints and Printers.

So after reviewing the existing code, my vote would be for a smaller move:

1. Ruler - I fully agree (and already implemented 😃);
2. Mint, Printer, Issuing entity - no change;
3. Catalogue (only for single-standing items) - do as we have for Mint, Printer, and Issuing entity.

dzmitry.huletski

Overall, 🅱️✴️🅰️ is more laconic and sounds more logical than 🅰️🅱️✴️

And this? 🅱️🅰️✴️

“Production of this…” / “Some items referenced…”

Links “See xxx type object”

Examples

For example:

This way, the links “see xxx” are more visible than if they were at the end.

This is much better 👍

Implemented, pending review.

This is now live.

It look way better :-)

Thanks a lot.

👌

@dzmitry.huletski,  some comments:

1. A cosmetic enhancement:
   We have these “See…” links
   
   mint>see_more_banknote • %s is the number of items
   See %s banknotes
   mint>see_more_coin • %s is the number of items
   See %s coins
   mint>see_more_exonumia • %s is the number of items
   See %s medals and tokens
   
   and…
   
   mint>see_more_paper_exonumia
   See the %s paper exonumia
   
   It must be similar to other (add help and remove “the”):
   
   mint>see_more_paper_exonumia • %s is the number of items
   See %s paper exonumia
   
   (Spanish and German do this; French and Italian are empty.)
    
2. We have two “See...” links for exonumia
   
   mint>see_more_exonumia • %s is the number of items
   See %s medals and tokens
   mint>see_more_paper_exonumia
   See the %s paper exonumia
   
   mint>see_more_paper_exonumia is used only for paper exonumia, but… What happens with mint>see_more_exonumia? Is it used only for exonumia similar to coins? Or for all exonumia?
    
3. In this ruler page https://en.numista.com/catalogue/ruler.php?id=275
   1. A very cosmetic enhancement: 😈 There is no space between Wikipedia and the icon.
   2. At the beginning there are three “See” links. Coins and banknotes are correct (they are the sum of each country), but there are not “See ... medals and tokens” links in any countries (only at the beginning).
      
      

@dzmitry.huletski, another small error (I think!). The Wikidata link of https://en.numista.com/catalogue/ruler.php?id=275 was copied at the top, but was not removed at the bottom.

Thanks, @davidhs. To keep the Wikidata link at the bottom was the decision of @Xavier, as a reference to the source the current page is using.

Labels are now unified. 

My intention was: 

mint>see_more_paper_exonumia - to be used only for paper exonumia;

mint>see_more_exonumia - to be used only for exonumia similar to coins.

But it is something still under ongoing debate. Once it is complete, we will merge the other fixes you proposed 😀

@davidhs All the corrections are live now.

dzmitry.huletski

@davidhs All the corrections are live now.

Ok, I translated new labels.

I guess these was fixed and used with the meaning:

dzmitry.huletski

mint>see_more_paper_exonumia - to be used only for paper exonumia;

mint>see_more_exonumia - to be used only for exonumia similar to coins.