Issuing entity in Portuguese Notgeld: Camara Municipal de Tomar [solved]

I hereby request the creation of issuing entities regarding Portuguese notgeld, for I have local banknotes from several City Halls and Commercial Associations of Portugal.

Since there are four already created (Camara Municipal de Coimbra, Camara Municipal de Estremoz, Camara Municipal de Louzada e Camara Municipal de Santo Tirso), I miss the following:

• Camara Municipal de Tomar

Can you link the entry please?

I wonder if those entities are not redundant with the very issuer ?

Compendium

Can you link the entry please?

I wonder if those entities are not redundant with the very issuer ?

I am sorry, but what do you mean by “link the entry”?

Regarding the redundancy, I also do not understand your question.

I can see that, in Portuguese Notgeld, there are four issuing entities already created, like I wrote:

• Camara Municipal de Coimbra
• Camara Municipal de Estremoz
• Camara Municipal de Louzada
• Camara Municipal de Santo Tirso

I have several Portuguese Notgeld that do not fit (regarding the issuing entity) on these four. Therefore, if I want to propose the creation of a new portuguese notgeld, but from a different issuing entity (e.g. Camara Municipal de Tomar), how do I  do?

Thank you

Can you link those Numista pages having those issuing entities?

I suspect its because we didnt yet created the proper issuers for Portugal Notgeld like we did for France, Spain or Germany for instance.

Poke @vladthiengo we need a list of issuers to create for resorting this section: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/portugal-notgeld-banknotes-1.html

You can find example of sheet here: https://en.numista.com/forum/topic139085.html#p1123750

Hi, @Compendium  !

There are, in fact, dozens of emergency banknotes from Portugal that need better organization. Little by little I believe we will be able to adjust things!

I invite @ruimvac to send me, even if by private message, the list of issuing entities he missed and, if possible, some publication about the broadcasts (Mário de Almeida's catalog is missing from my library and would be perfect for the occasion !).

Let's go to work! =)

Regards,

Vladimir.

vladthiengo

Hi, @Compendium  !

 

There are, in fact, dozens of emergency banknotes from Portugal that need better organization. Little by little I believe we will be able to adjust things!

 

I invite @ruimvac to send me, even if by private message, the list of issuing entities he missed and, if possible, some publication about the broadcasts (Mário de Almeida's catalog is missing from my library and would be perfect for the occasion !).

 

Let's go to work! =)

 

Regards,

Vladimir.

Thanks! My point is we should not create Municipal councils as issuing entities, but rather create issuers directly for those cities, like we did for french, spanish and german Notgeld sections if you can look at them.

Issuing entities are made for companies, banks, associations etc, not local political power.

Which I also believe should be the best thing to do! And for this task, all help is welcome! =)

vladthiengo

Hi, @Compendium  !

 

There are, in fact, dozens of emergency banknotes from Portugal that need better organization. Little by little I believe we will be able to adjust things!

 

I invite @ruimvac to send me, even if by private message, the list of issuing entities he missed and, if possible, some publication about the broadcasts (Mário de Almeida's catalog is missing from my library and would be perfect for the occasion !).

 

Let's go to work! =)

 

Regards,

Vladimir.

Hello @vladthiengo ,

the list I miss is in this post:

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic140302.html#p1124756

Yes the book “Catálogo Geral do Cédulas de Portugal”, by Mário S. de Almeida (1980) would be great for this job. Unfortunately, I do not have it…

Best regards

Rui

Thank you, Rui! I'm already adding these locations to the list.

Could you please help us with the wikicodes for each location you listed? This information is important for us when registering.

I'm waiting. =)

Hello

If not stated otherwise, I put the wikidata code of the municipalities.

There were four already created:

1. Camara Municipal de Coimbra Q45412
2. Camara Municipal de Estremoz Q625157
3. Camara Municipal de Louzada Q986741
4. Camara Municipal de Santo Tirso Q917330

What I miss is:

• Camara Municipal da Feira Q564813
• Camara Municipal de Tomar Q622817
• Camara Municipal de Matosinhos Q841299
• Camara Municipal de Loures Q917535
• Camara Municipal de Almada Q328015
• Camara Municipal de Santarem Q273877
• Camara Municipal de Penafiel Q984656
• Camara Municipal de Campo Maior Q995297
• Camara Municipal da Figueira da Foz Q428459
• Camara Municipal de Sabugal Q992645
• Camara Municipal de Mafra Q986419
• Camara Municipal de Oliveira de Azemeis Q405252
• Misericordia de Thomar Q99846835 (this is not the municipality Q622817 above, this is the actual institution's wikidata code). site: www.scmt.pt
• Albergue e Azylo Elvenses Q243849 (I can not find this institution - maybe extinct -, so I put the municipality's wikidata code)
• Associacao Comercial de Espinho Q13225053 (I can not find this institution - but it is not extinct -, so I put the municipality's wikidata code) site: www.associacaocomercialespinho.pt
• Associacao Comercial das Caldas da Rainha Q275689 (I can not find this institution - but it is not extinct -, so I put the municipality's wikidata code) site: www.acccro.pt

Best regards

ruimvac

Hello

 

If not stated otherwise, I put the wikidata code of the municipalities.

Yeah perfect, it's what we have to do, as we do not create “ Camara Municipal de Coimbra ” as issuer but “Municipality of Coimbra”

 

• Misericordia de Thomar Q99846835 (this is not the municipality Q622817 above, this is the actual institution's wikidata code). site: www.scmt.pt

This is an issuing entity, not an issuer; so as soon as Tomar is created as issuer, we can create Misericordia de Thomar as issuing entity attached to it

• Albergue e Azylo Elvenses Q243849 (I can not find this institution - maybe extinct -, so I put the municipality's wikidata code)

Same as above: we need to create the city needed for this, then we'll create the issuing entity attached to the city (only municipal councils we're not creating as issuing entities, as they're somehow “included” in issuers when they are cities)

• Associacao Comercial de Espinho Q13225053 (I can not find this institution - but it is not extinct -, so I put the municipality's wikidata code) site: www.associacaocomercialespinho.pt

Yes, the issuer will be “Municipality of Espinho”

• Associacao Comercial das Caldas da Rainha Q275689 (I can not find this institution - but it is not extinct -, so I put the municipality's wikidata code) site: www.acccro.pt

Yes, the issuer will be “Municipality of Caldas da Rainha”

You can add wikicodes of the municipalities directly in column AD here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DE0MAHSElWZvgJ6Sh3gY6NAvZoRvyoKi9AUE9HyRxCE/edit#gid=14667555

Compendium

You can add wikicodes of the municipalities directly in column AD here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DE0MAHSElWZvgJ6Sh3gY6NAvZoRvyoKi9AUE9HyRxCE/edit#gid=14667555

done

Issuers are imported :-)

You can request new ones or related issuing entities in new dedicated requests thanks

Thank you for all your help in this endeavor, @Compendium !

I also thank @ruimvac  for the suggestion and help!

Greentings!

Hello, I have been following the great work you have done, and I thought I could help by indicating all the Notgeld issuers from Portugal (municipios) that we currently have in the Numista catalog (some have already been created in the table above).

I don't know if there are many more notes from other Portuguese issuers, but perhaps, so that the list is not so long, it could still be divided by Districts, as was done in Spain, Germany and Austria. What do you think?

Alcácer do Sal

Alpiarça

Arcos de Valdevez

Aveiro

Azambuja

Borba

Braga

Caldas da Rainha

Castro Verde

Coímbra

Coruche

Cuba

Elvas

Espinho

Estremoz

Évora

Faro

Ferreira do Zêzere

Figueira da Foz

Figueira de Castelo Rodrigo

Fronteira

Funchal

Fundão

Gondomar

Guarda

Guimarães

Leiria

Loulé

Lousada

Mafra

Mangualde

Marinha Grande

Matosinhos

Monção

Monforte

Montemor-o-Novo

Montemor-o-Velho

Mourão

Oliveira de Azeméis

Oliveira do Hospital

Ovar

Penafiel

Portalegre

Portimão

Póvoa de Varzim

Sabugal

Santa Maria da Feira

Santarém

Santo Tirso

Serpa

Sertã

Sesimbra

Setúbal

Sines

Sintra

Tomar

Torre de Moncorvo

Trancoso

Vagos

Valença

Valpaços

Viana do Castelo

Vila de Rei

Vila do Conde

Vila Nova da Barquinha

Vila Nova de Cerveira

Vila Nova de Famalicão

Vila Nova de Foz Côa

Vila Real

Vila Real de Santo António

Viseu

Hello, @oynbcn!

Your work in organizing the Spanish notgelder is fantastic! I believe you can help a lot in organizing Portugal's emergency broadcasts! =)

I'm not deeply knowledgeable about Portuguese geopolitics. If you have any suggestions for separation by regions, feel free to give us ideas.

We're still finishing organizing the first municipalities here (in fact, it's @Compendium the spreadsheet wizard! I'm just giving you a few tips...lol) and the work will be long, and it will still be enjoyable.

Thanks!

Thank you very much for your words @vladthiengo , you are also doing a very great job. The truth is that with the help of @Compendium  everything becomes much easier.

Regarding the division of the issuers of the Notgeld of Portugal, I do not know the exact criteria that Numista follows. I know that there are countries that are not divided like Poland, but others like France, Spain, Germany, the Philippines... have been divided into larger political entities (States, Provinces, Departments...)

In the case of Portugal, it would be good if someone who knew this type of banknotes could inform us if the majority of Municipalities issued them. If so, in the catalog there could be more than 300 issuers (these are the municipalities in Portugal), so perhaps it would be convenient to separate them between the 18 Districts and the 2 Autonomous Regions (Azores and Madeira) to avoid making very long lists. on the menu. 

I think that on this, someone with greater knowledge of these notgeld and someone like @Compendium  who knows the Numista criteria better should give us their opinion. For my part, I am willing to help with whatever is asked of me, but the truth is that with the Notgeld of Spain I already have a lot of work.

Thank you for the tips! In fact, I'm already able to find out the information about this (the Portuguese language makes the process easier ^^). 

The work is long, but seeing things organized is pleasurable! =)

Yes, you are absolutely right, I am also a fan of order, and I think that is essential in a catalog.

Seeing other countries like the ones I mentioned before and looking a little on the Internet to see if there are more municipal banknotes (there are quite a few) I think it would be important to separate the municipalities between the Districts and Autonomous Regions on the map you have attached, if not at the end the list it will be too long. 

What do you and @Compendium (and other users like @ruimvac ) think about this? I think that now, that only a limited number of issuers have been created, is the ideal time to make a final decision.

The idea is precisely this! 

I'm just going to adjust the records that already exist and, before new ones are added, I'm going to organize them in a similar way to what you did in the Spanish broadcasts (congratulations again on the organization there!).

As there are a lot of details, I will need some time to organize this and, of course, count on all the help I can and the magical Compendium spreadsheets! LOL

Cool work!

Lets create districts then :-)

You can do a sheet for them, then once they're created we can sort the notgeld.municipalities.we already created

Compendium

Cool work!

Lets create districts then :-)

You can do a sheet for them, then once they're created we can sort the notgeld.municipalities.we already created

Done! It's on the same spreadsheet where we have the Portuguese municipalities ;-)

vladthiengo

Compendium

Cool work!

Lets create districts then :-)

You can do a sheet for them, then once they're created we can sort the notgeld.municipalities.we already created

Done! It's on the same spreadsheet where we have the Portuguese municipalities ;-)

Thanks!

Some little fixes to do before import please:

- add “district” before “notgeld” in first column (avoid duplicate codes)

- in french second  column is “du district”

- in spanish its “del distrito”

Compendium

vladthiengo

Compendium

Cool work!

Lets create districts then :-)

You can do a sheet for them, then once they're created we can sort the notgeld.municipalities.we already created

Done! It's on the same spreadsheet where we have the Portuguese municipalities ;-)

Thanks!

Some little fixes to do before import please:

- add “district” before “notgeld” in first column (avoid duplicate codes)

- in french second  column is “du district”

- in spanish its “del distrito”

 

 

Done =)

All imported ! 
You can know indicate in the spreadsheet where to sort existing and future notgeld issuers (put district codes instead of portugal-notgeld in column O please) :-)

Perfect! Little by little, when it comes to notgelder, there is a world of possibilities! =)

Thanks!

All done for existing notes, thanks everyone !

Please create new thread for future needs :-)