New York Transit token Atwood-Coffee NY 630 AO

Hi everyone 

Not sure how to begin, these three tokens are 16 MM my first picture weighs 1.8 grams, my second weighs 1.6 the Numista weighs 1.7 

I checked with the Token Catalog and it appears they have an error also, they have two different tokens representing the same one, I sent in a question pertaining to the problem to them.

The Token Catalog is a very good resource but mistakes can and will happen, I know there are two types based on the letter G in the word Good, but I find there is at least three types two older ones letter G differences with dots in-between Good For and One Fare and one newer looking one that has no dots in-between, the one shown in Numista has no dots

Here are both my types both with dots, the last picture is from Numista, listed as NY 630 AO does anyone know how to tell which one is Atwood-Coffee NY 630 AO ? thanks!

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Ringgy

Hi everyone 

Not sure how to begin, these three tokens are 16 MM my first picture weighs 1.8 grams, my second weighs 1.6 the Numista weighs 1.7 

I checked with the Token Catalog and it appears they have an error also, they have two different tokens representing the same one, I sent in a question pertaining to the problem to them.

This particular token has actually 6 varieties from 3 different mints, Osborne, Meyer & Wenthe and Scovill according to Atwood Coffee 8th Edition.

The fact that they are off in weight by 0.01-0.02 falls within the 0.05 weight variable.

The Token Catalog is a very good resource but mistakes can and will happen, I know there are two types based on the letter G in the word Good, but I find there is at least three types two older ones letter G differences with dots in-between Good For and One Fare and one newer looking one that has no dots in-between, the one shown in Numista has no dots

Here are both my types both with dots, the last picture is from Numista, listed as NY 630 AO does anyone know how to tell which one is Atwood-Coffee NY 630 AO ? thanks!

All are listed as NY 630 AO under Atwood Coffee. Under general comments 3 of the 6 are listed as Variety 1, Variety 2, Variety 3 and all have pictures

The other 3 varieties, which are included in a supplement to Atwood Coffee, are the Meyer & Wenthe (Variety 1) and are too close to distinguish apart. The 6th variety is a counterfeit of the obverse of Osborne (Variety 2) and the reverse of Meyer & Wenthe (Variety 3). According to the supplement.

Thanks! I imagine I'll get the same back from The Token Catalog 🤔 Funny how some tokens are treated like any small variance is a big deal, when in this case it's, ho hum same old same old.

Ringgy

Thanks! I imagine I'll get the same back from The Token Catalog 🤔 Funny how some tokens are treated like any small variance is a big deal, when in this case it's, ho hum same old same old.

I am not sure I understand what you mean here. Your variety of “No dots” is recognized as Variety 3 on Numista and with Atwood Coffee. The weight differences are not enough to warrant any recognition. If you take a roll of Roosevelt Dimes all minted say at Philadelphia you would find weight difference between them of more than 0.01 g

JLHare

Ringgy

Thanks! I imagine I'll get the same back from The Token Catalog 🤔 Funny how some tokens are treated like any small variance is a big deal, when in this case it's, ho hum same old same old.

I am not sure I understand what you mean here. Your variety of “No dots” is recognized as Variety 3 on Numista and with Atwood Coffee. The weight differences are not enough to warrant any recognition. If you take a roll of Roosevelt Dimes all minted say at Philadelphia you would find weight difference between them of more than 0.01 g

Hi, sorry about any confusion I caused you, I was never concerned about weights of the tokens, I put that info in because of the Forum instructions said to do so

 Sorry to be such a pain, as I look at the picture shown as variety 1 on the page, mine still looks different to me, inside the letters of mine especially the letter “O” it is clear to see webbing, I can't seem to see webbing in the example shown as Variety 1 on Numista, maybe there's more than 6 varieties?                                                                                                                                                                                           

Ringgy

 Sorry to be such a pain, as I look at the picture shown as variety 1 on the page, mine still looks different to me, inside the letters of mine especially the letter “O” it is clear to see webbing, I can't seem to see webbing in the example shown as Variety 1 on Numista, maybe there's more than 6 varieties?                                                                                                                                                                                           

I added the pictures, I will look at them when I get back home next week. I also show I have 9 extra and will look at them as well. You can see the weave between the G and N so I would say just on that that the weave is or was there just got messed up in the minting process. But, again, I will look at all of them next week.

After reviewing all of my Variety 1 the weak strike (my opinion) is the uncommon one. All the others have a strong weave pattern within the letters. I still think that the one pictured with the weave showing up lightly, or not at all, is just a product of the process. There are a couple of American Vecturist Association members on Numista. Maybe another one of them will voice an opinion on the subject.

Maybe the week strike one you have is actually the Meyer & Wenthe  number one version AKA  version 4 that they say is to difficult to distinguish between, but somehow they must be different otherwise how would they know?

Ringgy

Maybe the week strike one you have is actually the Meyer & Wenthe  number one version AKA  version 4 that they say is to difficult to distinguish between, but somehow they must be different otherwise how would they know?

The book above is a reference to die varieties. So a weak strike would not constitute a different die variety. But if my opinion of it being  a weak strike is incorrect, then it is possible. I would prefer other opinions before adding it.