A Cashless Society

Just a discussion into what anybody here thinks about the thought of abandoning physical currency and giving control of your spending to the government? 

I personally, although I am still quite young, use cash whenever it is possible but I can clearly see that it is becoming more and more common to just use your card even for minor transactions. I think that it may be comfortable, but most likely not the smartest decision long term. I feel like being able to freely carry your money with you without being controlled is a freedom that is worth to be upheld.

Agreed. 

Cash = Nature's Gift Card.

I feel in some ways the interest in coin collecting, particularly in Australia, maintains a certain level of circulation. The number of arbitrary “commemorative” releases is approaching saturation but it certainly keeps some people thinking about coins and introducing new people to the idea of collecting coins. 

My coin collecting started after inheriting my grandmothers and if only a small percentage of people in that situation continue the hobby it still means millions of people will collect and be interested in coins. 

Ultimately, I think it will be at least 2 generations until cash usage is de-normalised across all society, and that is only if business/government continue the push towards its eradication. Collecting is one way to slow/halt this move towards cashless because there's something inherently interesting about how/why countries make currency. 

MBC

Just a discussion into what anybody here thinks about the thought of abandoning physical currency and giving control of your spending to the government? 

I used to dwell on it partly b/c I discussed it with some collectors at a coin show about 20 years ago & partly b/c I saw stuff happening that pointed CDN society was barrelling down in this direction. The unchecked movement towards a cashless society has occurred at a rapid rate. It's frightening that most people don't see it as a problem but rather embrace it. I don't think that the push/transition is necessarily “giving control to the government” but rather equivalent to choosing private digital currency (making billionaires richer), losing our privacy (our purchasing “data” being shared/mined) & the tendency to take on large debt burdens (spending like a drunken sailer syndrome) which could be catastrophic for some.  I suspect it could be devastating for this hobby.

After learning about the Better than Cash Alliance, I started to see retailers shut down manned check-outs (for automated check-outs), banking hours/staff decrease (particularly over the pandemic). Parking meters & pop machines no longer accept coins/bills.  Several services can only be paid with CC or digitally. Newer banknote series (prefixes) have been released in a trickle (super slow) as the CDN public rarely use banknotes*

It used to really irritate me b/c CDNS seemed to welcome the cashless bandwagon.  I had no idea the BTCA even existed until some other collector posted about it on another forum around 2015. Then I saw this DW documentary on Youtube. I find it obnoxious that the United Nations continue to support this BTCA agenda which has no interest to see cash to co-exist with digital payments. When I first learned about the BTCA they had about 50 members. Now it is 80.  I also find their ad campaigns championing digital (to decrease crime, to prevent Covid, and to empower women) ludicrous. 

Past Forum posts on the topic:

Cash-free in Sweden?

Do Coin Collectors use Credit Cards… less?

Numismatics & CBDC

The fate of coin/currency forums

*There was a slight demand for our $50.00 notes which were stockpiled by many Canadians during the pandemic but that will no longer be the case.

Born in the 80's here.  I almost never buy anything with cash.  In fact, it's pretty much exclusively the occasional lottery ticket (because they only take cash or debit).  Everything else goes on my credit card.  And the reason for that is because of the points / "cash" back that I earn.  I pay my card in full every month, so it's basically free money.

puubert

Agreed. 

 

Cash = Nature's Gift Card.

 

I feel in some ways the interest in coin collecting, particularly in Australia, maintains a certain level of circulation. The number of arbitrary “commemorative” releases is approaching saturation but it certainly keeps some people thinking about coins and introducing new people to the idea of collecting coins. 

 

My coin collecting started after inheriting my grandmothers and if only a small percentage of people in that situation continue the hobby it still means millions of people will collect and be interested in coins. 

 

Ultimately, I think it will be at least 2 generations until cash usage is de-normalised across all society, and that is only if business/government continue the push towards its eradication. Collecting is one way to slow/halt this move towards cashless because there's something inherently interesting about how/why countries make currency. 

Two generations, in some countries it could be less than five years until they can be able to kill off all cash, but with an army of obedient civilians who are so easily willing to surrender their freedom for ''security'' they could hypothetically achieve it in days or weeks I mean just wait until they declare the next gorilla flu emergency and its all over for cash and freedom. As for collecting well ‘’you will own nothing and be happy''.  

glorkar

, so it's basically free money.

Not so brother. There is no such thing as free money. Credit card companies are not your friend, and those “rewards” are lies that we accept with tacit consent. The banks who issue those cards charge the merchants about 5% + 30 cents or so per transaction. And cards with rewards are a bit higher than that. To offset those fees the merchants raise their prices 10% or so which you pay on your card none the wiser. The banks then kick back a point or two to customers and make it sound like they're doing you a favor by return a penny or two on the dollar of YOUR money. Yes, cash transactions also come with transaction costs but none so steep as credit card fees.

An anecdote: many years back I worked at a record store and some customers would use a credit card to buy a single or other low-cost item. I'm talking 51 cents with tax! After our store processed the transaction less fees we lost money on every one of those sales. So one day HQ had us raise the price on EVERY record by a dollar to cover the losses on smaller items. So pay cash when you can, especially on small transactions at small merchants.

TCon

glorkar

, so it's basically free money.

Not so brother. There is no such thing as free money. Credit card companies are not your friend, and those “rewards” are lies that we accept with tacit consent. The banks who issue those cards charge the merchants about 5% + 30 cents or so per transaction. And cards with rewards are a bit higher than that. To offset those fees the merchants raise their prices 10% or so which you pay on your card none the wiser. The banks then kick back a point or two to customers and make it sound like they're doing you a favor by return a penny or two on the dollar of YOUR money. Yes, cash transactions also come with transaction costs but none so steep as credit card fees.

 

An anecdote: many years back I worked at a record store and some customers would use a credit card to buy a single or other low-cost item. I'm talking 51 cents with tax! After our store processed the transaction less fees we lost money on every one of those sales. So one day HQ had us raise the price on EVERY record by a dollar to cover the losses on smaller items. So pay cash when you can, especially on small transactions at small merchants.

Totally agree with you @TCon. To add insult to injury, those of us who do use cash end up having to pay the same inflated prices that card users pay. The merchants make extra profit from those of us who do use cash which I am ok with if they are small businesses. The more people use plastic or e-cash, the more damage it does to the economy as a lot of that money goes directly into the pockets of middlemen financial services. It is very amusing that many people complain about loss of privacy and oligarchs controlling government yet they continue to support loss of privacy and loss of government for the people by continuing to use plastic. 
Additionally, those of us who keep cash and coins and bars of precious metals will be the only people with money should a catastrophic solar flare wipe out the entire power grid in whatever country you live in. I know that the anti-science people will refute that but there have been solar flare power outages and people are lucky to have had cash.

To what TCon was alluding to, if you want to stop enriching billionaires and have a plan B for power outages, start using more cash.

MBC

Just a discussion into what anybody here thinks about the thought of abandoning physical currency and giving control of your spending to the government? 

Well, here in the Netherlands we don't use physical currency that much although it's still possible to do so. Somehow it's easier to use our bankcard or mobile phone (even at local markts).  

These developments are good to avoid money laundering, but we can't speak about loosing control of our spendings in favour of our government.  Perhaps we live in a different economical reality.

Agree with TCon - always use cash with small businesses.

Funny enough earlier in the year when my dad was in Australia especially in the remote parts of Western Australia most farm shops only took cash and for cards they had old fashioned manual credit card machines to make a transaction.

I think now even cards are more digitally orientated than ever before because most people have them on their phones and the newer cards don’t have raised numbers so they would be incompatible for manual card machines if the internet goes down and they don’t have cash.

blue-m

TCon

glorkar

, so it's basically free money.

Not so brother. There is no such thing as free money. Credit card companies are not your friend, and those “rewards” are lies that we accept with tacit consent. The banks who issue those cards charge the merchants about 5% + 30 cents or so per transaction. And cards with rewards are a bit higher than that. To offset those fees the merchants raise their prices 10% or so which you pay on your card none the wiser. The banks then kick back a point or two to customers and make it sound like they're doing you a favor by return a penny or two on the dollar of YOUR money. Yes, cash transactions also come with transaction costs but none so steep as credit card fees.

 

An anecdote: many years back I worked at a record store and some customers would use a credit card to buy a single or other low-cost item. I'm talking 51 cents with tax! After our store processed the transaction less fees we lost money on every one of those sales. So one day HQ had us raise the price on EVERY record by a dollar to cover the losses on smaller items. So pay cash when you can, especially on small transactions at small merchants.

Totally agree with you @TCon. To add insult to injury, those of us who do use cash end up having to pay the same inflated prices that card users pay. The merchants make extra profit from those of us who do use cash which I am ok with if they are small businesses. The more people use plastic or e-cash, the more damage it does to the economy as a lot of that money goes directly into the pockets of middlemen financial services. It is very amusing that many people complain about loss of privacy and oligarchs controlling government yet they continue to support loss of privacy and loss of government for the people by continuing to use plastic. 
Additionally, those of us who keep cash and coins and bars of precious metals will be the only people with money should a catastrophic solar flare wipe out the entire power grid in whatever country you live in. I know that the anti-science people will refute that but there have been solar flare power outages and people are lucky to have had cash.

 

To what TCon was alluding to, if you want to stop enriching billionaires and have a plan B for power outages, start using more cash.

I think that some sort of grid down emergency is part of their plan, and if people don't have cash then their in trouble. Around this time last year there was talk of energy blackouts here in the UK. 

Dutchgalego

MBC

Just a discussion into what anybody here thinks about the thought of abandoning physical currency and giving control of your spending to the government? 

Well, here in the Netherlands we don't use physical currency that much although it's still possible to do so. Somehow it's easier to use our bankcard or mobile phone (even at local markts).  

These developments are good to avoid money laundering, but we can't speak about loosing control of our spendings in favour of our government.  Perhaps we live in a different economical reality.

I don't trust the government, one wrong opinion these days and your social media account is suspended. How soon before your bank account is suspended? and without physical cash what are you going to do? 

MBC

I don't trust the government, one wrong opinion these days and your social media account is suspended.

Well, our government are mostly a bunch of nitwits - a lot of talk, much less action. But I don't see the connection to social media accounts, they are mostly run by US Big Tech, and they don't have physical staff going through whatever people post on their social media. I've not had an account on “social media” for many years now, and I don't think I'm missing out.

MBC

 

 

Around this time last year there was talk of energy blackouts here in the UK. 

Never heard of this and didn't happen either.

Bank account suspension is an extreme step and cannot  happen to mere mortals

BluHawk

Bank account suspension is an extreme step and cannot  happen to mere mortals

Tell that to Canadian truck drivers. 

BluHawk

MBC

 

 

Around this time last year there was talk of energy blackouts here in the UK. 

Never heard of this and didn't happen either.

Did not happen but was discussed last year, the Black Belt Barrister did a video on it. 

Dejan

BluHawk

Bank account suspension is an extreme step and cannot  happen to mere mortals

Tell that to Canadian truck drivers. 

You really hit the nail on the head with that comment. Well done. 

Hapertas

MBC

I don't trust the government, one wrong opinion these days and your social media account is suspended.

Well, our government are mostly a bunch of nitwits - a lot of talk, much less action. But I don't see the connection to social media accounts, they are mostly run by US Big Tech, and they don't have physical staff going through whatever people post on their social media. I've not had an account on “social media” for many years now, and I don't think I'm missing out.

Basically what I am saying is that over the past few years many have been cancelled for having the ‘wrong opinion’ on social media. 

The end goal is a social credit system where people get points for complying with woke agendas and loose points when they defy unlawful orders. The more points = more ‘treats’ such as lab manufactured meat, travel and electricity and the less points = no lab manufactured meat, no travel and no electricity. Think this is a ‘silly conspiracy’ well just look at China as they already have a similar system in place there.  

BluHawk

Bank account suspension is an extreme step and cannot  happen to mere mortals

It can happen and has happened before in Canada and yes the people I consider to be sheepish mere mortals will likely fall for the woke claptrap that is the anti-cash agenda and will surrender their cash for a piece of plastic, app or microchip. Read the Book of Revelations as it mentions this and how a man may not buy or sell without it.

MBC

Hapertas

MBC

I don't trust the government, one wrong opinion these days and your social media account is suspended.

Well, our government are mostly a bunch of nitwits - a lot of talk, much less action. But I don't see the connection to social media accounts, they are mostly run by US Big Tech, and they don't have physical staff going through whatever people post on their social media. I've not had an account on “social media” for many years now, and I don't think I'm missing out.

Basically what I am saying is that over the past few years many have been cancelled for having the ‘wrong opinion’ on social media. 

That is because Big Tech effectively has monopoly on “social media”, and they're just in it for the money. In analog days every world view had their own news papers and people could and would choose between them or even read multiple of them. With the very imidiate and available digital world people get all crowded with very few monopolistic world views, even though one would think it's much easier than in the analog world to get an audience.

Hapertas

MBC

Hapertas

MBC

I don't trust the government, one wrong opinion these days and your social media account is suspended.

Well, our government are mostly a bunch of nitwits - a lot of talk, much less action. But I don't see the connection to social media accounts, they are mostly run by US Big Tech, and they don't have physical staff going through whatever people post on their social media. I've not had an account on “social media” for many years now, and I don't think I'm missing out.

Basically what I am saying is that over the past few years many have been cancelled for having the ‘wrong opinion’ on social media. 

That is because Big Tech effectively has monopoly on “social media”, and they're just in it for the money. In analog days every world view had their own news papers and people could and would choose between them or even read multiple of them. With the very imidiate and available digital world people get all crowded with very few monopolistic world views, even though one would think it's much easier than in the analog world to get an audience.

I am not on any form of social media and don't trust any source of news as most are corrupt and just print what the agenda dictates them to. 

MBC

BluHawk

Bank account suspension is an extreme step and cannot  happen to mere mortals

It can happen and has happened before in Canada and yes the people I consider to be sheepish mere mortals will likely fall for the woke claptrap that is the anti-cash agenda and will surrender their cash for a piece of plastic, app or microchip. Read the Book of Revelations as it mentions this and how a man may not buy or sell without it.

Revelation.  I have.  I don't remember that passage.  Please cite the reference.  Chapter and verse(s) will suffice.

rsirian1

MBC

BluHawk

Bank account suspension is an extreme step and cannot  happen to mere mortals

It can happen and has happened before in Canada and yes the people I consider to be sheepish mere mortals will likely fall for the woke claptrap that is the anti-cash agenda and will surrender their cash for a piece of plastic, app or microchip. Read the Book of Revelations as it mentions this and how a man may not buy or sell without it.

Revelation.  I have.  I don't remember that passage.  Please cite the reference.  Chapter and verse(s) will suffice.

¹⁶ It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, ¹⁷ so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

¹⁸ This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man.^[e] That number is 666.

Revelation 13, although it does not directly mention a microchip but they have the capabilities to implant microchips in peoples wrists today. This story is an example of that - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61008730

That's a stretch even for you to try to tie those passages to a conspiracy theory that the government (duly elected or behind the scenes) is trying to remove cash to subjugate its citizens for the enrichment of the few elite.

MBC

Hapertas

MBC

Hapertas

MBC

I don't trust the government, one wrong opinion these days and your social media account is suspended.

Well, our government are mostly a bunch of nitwits - a lot of talk, much less action. But I don't see the connection to social media accounts, they are mostly run by US Big Tech, and they don't have physical staff going through whatever people post on their social media. I've not had an account on “social media” for many years now, and I don't think I'm missing out.

Basically what I am saying is that over the past few years many have been cancelled for having the ‘wrong opinion’ on social media. 

That is because Big Tech effectively has monopoly on “social media”, and they're just in it for the money. In analog days every world view had their own news papers and people could and would choose between them or even read multiple of them. With the very imidiate and available digital world people get all crowded with very few monopolistic world views, even though one would think it's much easier than in the analog world to get an audience.

I am not on any form of social media and don't trust any source of news as most are corrupt and just print what the agenda dictates them to. 

Well, one needs to know how to read the news, which is something we were tought in school - to be critical. What is called “social media” are empty calories to the mind, no great win for humanity. I can understand that if one is a Truthster - looking for and spreading The Truth, one has already lost since The Truth does not exist - truth is always a question of mindset, hence individual.

MBC

 

Revelation 13, although it does not directly mention a microchip but they have the capabilities to implant microchips in peoples wrists today. This story is an example of that - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61008730

This is not the first time someone has presented this idea of a microchip implant to control the masses. But, when you think about it, why would anyone make a big deal out of this, when most people already have a smartphone/tablet that is turned on 24/7 and you need to register with your personal data to get access to the internet (unless you're a cheapskate and only surf the internet from McDonalds)?

MBC - would like to see references to the bank account suspension. You say many have been cancelled for a wrong opinion on social media.

Provide proof. You are painting a picture of doom & gloom.

I do hope you are an eager collector and will add to the Numista repository.

I know we are being watched with cookies…but doubt very much that our privileges will be made reduntant unless one indulges in treason.

You are a new account and have already gathered a lot of data about likes & dislikes here. Maybe you are fishing - who knows🧐

Chip in the hand is choice - not forced.

A mobile phone provides all the data to everyone in the business world.

If one thinks otherwise….well…🤨

BluHawk

MBC - would like to see references to the bank account suspension. You say many have been cancelled for a wrong opinion on social media.

Provide proof. You are painting a picture of doom & gloom.

I do hope you are an eager collector and will add to the Numista repository.

I know we are being watched with cookies…but doubt very much that our privileges will be made reduntant unless one indulges in treason.

You are a new account and have already gathered a lot of data about likes & dislikes here. Maybe you are fishing - who knows🧐

 

Chip in the hand is choice - not forced.

A mobile phone provides all the data to everyone in the business world.

If one thinks otherwise….well…🤨

If you want evidence of bank account suspension just read into the Canadian truckers and how they had their accounts frozen for parcipitating in a protest. Many people I know personally have had their social media cancelled for simply posting a political meme.

If you think that I am spreading doom and gloom by discussing the future the elites have planned for us well what do you think of the MSM as they ramp up and exaggerate stories all of the time.

“ Chip in the hand is choice - not forced” is an interesting quote as quite recently an experimental medical procedure was “just choice” but people were threatened, humiliated, bribed, dismissed from work, coerced, and treated like second class citizens for simply refusing it. The same psychological  pressure will be applied to all future agendas.

I don't have a smart phone or any smart tech. 

Am I fishing? No but I do own an antique fishing rod.

BluHawk

 

I do hope you are an eager collector and will add to the Numista repository.

 

A member for less than 3 months, 10 completed swaps, 3 in progress, 13 edits so far.

I don't doubt that this member is an eager collector.   

Fair is fair.

Hapertas

MBC

Hapertas

MBC

Hapertas

MBC

I don't trust the government, one wrong opinion these days and your social media account is suspended.

Well, our government are mostly a bunch of nitwits - a lot of talk, much less action. But I don't see the connection to social media accounts, they are mostly run by US Big Tech, and they don't have physical staff going through whatever people post on their social media. I've not had an account on “social media” for many years now, and I don't think I'm missing out.

Basically what I am saying is that over the past few years many have been cancelled for having the ‘wrong opinion’ on social media. 

That is because Big Tech effectively has monopoly on “social media”, and they're just in it for the money. In analog days every world view had their own news papers and people could and would choose between them or even read multiple of them. With the very imidiate and available digital world people get all crowded with very few monopolistic world views, even though one would think it's much easier than in the analog world to get an audience.

I am not on any form of social media and don't trust any source of news as most are corrupt and just print what the agenda dictates them to. 

Well, one needs to know how to read the news, which is something we were tought in school - to be critical. What is called “social media” are empty calories to the mind, no great win for humanity. I can understand that if one is a Truthster - looking for and spreading The Truth, one has already lost since The Truth does not exist - truth is always a question of mindset, hence individual.

You must be lucky and have gone to a great school, because in schools pupils aren't taught to be critical they are just taught to believe everything they are told and not question anything. If you want to read the news follow the money who is funding the article or research? But most importantly who owns the paper?

rsirian1

That's a stretch even for you to try to tie those passages to a conspiracy theory that the government (duly elected or behind the scenes) is trying to remove cash to subjugate its citizens for the enrichment of the few elite.

Most of the elites are satanists and they hate us humans and call us useless eaters. They would love to further enslave humanity as they are control freaks on a mission. Research the great reset a book by Klaus Schwab.

rsirian1

BluHawk

 

I do hope you are an eager collector and will add to the Numista repository.

 

A member for less than 3 months, 10 completed swaps, 3 in progress, 13 edits so far.

 

I don't doubt that this member is an eager collector.   

 

Fair is fair.

I have been collecting since 2011, since when have you been?

MBC

rsirian1

BluHawk

 

I do hope you are an eager collector and will add to the Numista repository.

 

A member for less than 3 months, 10 completed swaps, 3 in progress, 13 edits so far.

 

I don't doubt that this member is an eager collector.   

 

Fair is fair.

I have been collecting since 2011, since when have you been?

1968.  Took some time off to get married and raise children.  Why do you ask?

MBC

You must be lucky and have gone to a great school, because in schools pupils aren't taught to be critical they are just taught to believe everything they are told and not question anything. If you want to read the news follow the money who is funding the article or research? But most importantly who owns the paper?

You are partly correct, it depends on the country and their scholastic culture. Some countries do not have a culture that nurtures independent thinking and questioning, not somewhere I would like to live. It also depends on scholastic trends through time.

As to the second sentence, you are starting to make sense. Yes, that's the basics of being critical. But, most “well assorted” news media will also let opposite opinion(s) present themselves, which is a quality mark for a media.

MBC

“ Chip in the hand is choice - not forced” is an interesting quote as quite recently an experimental medical procedure was “just choice” but people were threatened, humiliated, bribed, dismissed from work, coerced, and treated like second class citizens for simply refusing it. The same psychological  pressure will be applied to all future agendas.

Not where I live. But then again, in our welfare state with free health care (as in no charge, no bills for the patient), the bill ends up the same place anyway. Of course, in countries where everybody has to pay for health care - money talks.

MBC

Most of the elites are satanists and they hate us humans and call us useless eaters. They would love to further enslave humanity as they are control freaks on a mission. Research the great reset a book by Klaus Schwab.

You have gone a little too deep into the weird sections of the internet my friend. Go talk to some loved ones and touch some grass.

Some_Nerd

MBC

Most of the elites are satanists and they hate us humans and call us useless eaters. They would love to further enslave humanity as they are control freaks on a mission. Research the great reset a book by Klaus Schwab.

You have gone a little too deep into the weird sections of the internet my friend. Go talk to some loved ones and touch some grass.

Do you know who Klaus Schwab is? and what he has been saying? 

Check out what Henry Kissinger said about the elderly also.

You can find the Klaus Schwab's “Great Reset” full book online, both legally and illegally. I've checked it, and it doesn't say what the conspiracy theorists claim it says. Specifically, it doesn't say anything about replacing cash or currency; the closest it says is that the US dollar, in the short or middle term, can't be replaced by the renminbi, the euro or any new (physical or digital) currency as the international reserve currency.

While I have many real reasons to despise Kissinger, his quote about elderly eaters is an absolute fabrication.

leopiccionia

You can find the Klaus Schwab's “Great Reset” full book online, both legally and illegally. I've checked it, and it doesn't say what the conspiracy theorists claim it says. Specifically, it doesn't say anything about replacing cash or currency; the closest it says is that the US dollar, in the short or middle term, can't be replaced by the renminbi, the euro or any new (physical or digital) currency as the international reserve currency.

 

While I have many real reasons to despise Kissinger, his quote about elderly eaters is an absolute fabrication.

 

 

How is Kissinger's quote fabricated?

There are many books written by elitist detailing their hatred for humanity and many government sources detailing how they intend to end cash. Also it is important to remember that Bill Gates has warned of another Gorilla glue Flu outbreak in the future and this could be a great excuse to end cash as they tried to during the last Gorilla glue psy-op. There are many people advocating for the removal or restriction of cash and there are some cashless businesses (which should be boycotted at all cost). I believe that this is a topic that can cause great unease in some and that is why they are becoming defensive and are in denial. Cash is important and that is that.

rsirian1

MBC

rsirian1

BluHawk

 

I do hope you are an eager collector and will add to the Numista repository.

 

A member for less than 3 months, 10 completed swaps, 3 in progress, 13 edits so far.

 

I don't doubt that this member is an eager collector.   

 

Fair is fair.

I have been collecting since 2011, since when have you been?

1968.  Took some time off to get married and raise children.  Why do you ask?

Why do I ask? because you called me out for not being a ‘eager collector’

MBC

rsirian1

MBC

rsirian1

BluHawk

 

I do hope you are an eager collector and will add to the Numista repository.

 

A member for less than 3 months, 10 completed swaps, 3 in progress, 13 edits so far.

 

I don't doubt that this member is an eager collector.   

 

Fair is fair.

I have been collecting since 2011, since when have you been?

1968.  Took some time off to get married and raise children.  Why do you ask?

Why do I ask? because you called me out for not being a ‘eager collector’

For someone who is “awake to the truth thus above most sheepish mortals” you seem to have trouble understanding even simple truths.  Reread my post, slowly and carefully, and you'll realize that I was defending you as being an “eager collector” by giving examples of the contributions you made to Numista in the short time you've been here.  Or maybe you are the type of person who is so set on “knowing” what the truth is that they can't admit when they get something wrong?

rsirian1

MBC

rsirian1

MBC

rsirian1

BluHawk

 

I do hope you are an eager collector and will add to the Numista repository.

 

A member for less than 3 months, 10 completed swaps, 3 in progress, 13 edits so far.

 

I don't doubt that this member is an eager collector.   

 

Fair is fair.

I have been collecting since 2011, since when have you been?

1968.  Took some time off to get married and raise children.  Why do you ask?

Why do I ask? because you called me out for not being a ‘eager collector’

For someone who is “awake to the truth thus above most sheepish mortals” you seem to have trouble understanding even simple truths.  Reread my post, slowly and carefully, and you'll realize that I was defending you as being an “eager collector” by giving examples of the contributions you made to Numista in the short time you've been here.  Or maybe you are the type of person who is so set on “knowing” what the truth is that they can't admit when they get something wrong?

''I don't doubt that this member is an eager collector''. This is a bit of a giveaway as to what you think of me and yes I have done a lot for this website and I speak two and a half languages and have studied copywriting in collage and I suspect that by the way you wrote that you were calling me out. 

MBC

rsirian1

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rsirian1

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rsirian1

BluHawk

 

I do hope you are an eager collector and will add to the Numista repository.

 

A member for less than 3 months, 10 completed swaps, 3 in progress, 13 edits so far.

 

I don't doubt that this member is an eager collector.   

 

Fair is fair.

I have been collecting since 2011, since when have you been?

1968.  Took some time off to get married and raise children.  Why do you ask?

Why do I ask? because you called me out for not being a ‘eager collector’

For someone who is “awake to the truth thus above most sheepish mortals” you seem to have trouble understanding even simple truths.  Reread my post, slowly and carefully, and you'll realize that I was defending you as being an “eager collector” by giving examples of the contributions you made to Numista in the short time you've been here.  Or maybe you are the type of person who is so set on “knowing” what the truth is that they can't admit when they get something wrong?

''I don't doubt that this member is an eager collector''. This is a bit of a giveaway as to what you think of me and yes I have done a lot for this website and I speak two and a half languages and have studied copywriting in collage and I suspect that by the way you wrote that you were calling me out. 

Yes, you are right.

So I have a question for the people who responded who are pro-cash.
If you are currently employed (not sure who is retired or too young for a job), how do you get your compensation?
Do you get a paycheck?  Direct deposit?
A check is just a promise written on a piece of paper.
Direct deposit is just numbers on a computer.
So whether you like it or not, you've been partially supporting a cashless agenda your entire lives.

glorkar

So I have a question for the people who responded who are pro-cash.
If you are currently employed (not sure who is retired or too young for a job), how do you get your compensation?
Do you get a paycheck?  Direct deposit?
A check is just a promise written on a piece of paper.
Direct deposit is just numbers on a computer.
So whether you like it or not, you've been partially supporting a cashless agenda your entire lives.

My employment is sporadic and I often change jobs and thus 90% of my earnings are cash. I get your point but we should never abolish cash.

MBC

glorkar

So I have a question for the people who responded who are pro-cash.
If you are currently employed (not sure who is retired or too young for a job), how do you get your compensation?
Do you get a paycheck?  Direct deposit?
A check is just a promise written on a piece of paper.
Direct deposit is just numbers on a computer.
So whether you like it or not, you've been partially supporting a cashless agenda your entire lives.

My employment is sporadic and I often change jobs and thus 90% of my earnings are cash. I get your point but we should never abolish cash.

Let me ask you a sincere question: How does your retirement plan look like?

Hapertas

MBC

glorkar

So I have a question for the people who responded who are pro-cash.
If you are currently employed (not sure who is retired or too young for a job), how do you get your compensation?
Do you get a paycheck?  Direct deposit?
A check is just a promise written on a piece of paper.
Direct deposit is just numbers on a computer.
So whether you like it or not, you've been partially supporting a cashless agenda your entire lives.

My employment is sporadic and I often change jobs and thus 90% of my earnings are cash. I get your point but we should never abolish cash.

Let me ask you a sincere question: How does your retirement plan look like?

Honest truth if I did not have a family to protect I would be homeless as I hate living in society. I have been used as a punchbag by society and after a while I kinda got fed up with it all and started wishing homelessness on myself. Trust me after being bullied and pushed around almost all my life I am not scared of being poor, homeless or being in debt as these could be perceived as luxiures to me as I have become desensitised to stuff others consider bad. I am quite young and have possibly 80 years left in this world and I wish I could enjoy them in the freedom of homelessness but I must stay here and protect my family. Most people my age worry about their future I have long accepted mine and how it will transpire. Thus no retirement plan. Life is for enjoying and not for being constantly trampled on by bullies. 

I have been used as a punchbag by society and after a while I kinda got fed up with it all and started wishing homelessness on myself.

I hope you change your mind. I wouldn't wish homelessness on my worse enemy.  We are all subjected to ups and downs & the way we deal with our hurdles is how we build character (resilience).   I know that must come off as ‘cliche’ but we all must toughen up as we mature (or we will enter a dark mindset). We all should try to keep a healthy perspective on things.  

Try to see the big picture.  I see individuals who are deaf (or have other disabilities) & I can tell you these individuals typically have a lot more personal challenges than most of us can imagine. I only have to think about a day in someone else's shoes & it makes me realize we have unique personal struggles.  It's just a matter of perspective.  You don't have to look very far to see someone worse off than yourself.  

I used to dream about being retired. My dream became so romantic that I really thought it would feel like "winning the jackpot" once I was through my career.  Then I retired. Yes it was nice at first (certainly freed from the 9-5 of work) but the novelty wore off. I was soon looking for work!  And the concept of “freedom” is quite porous & subjective. What is one person's idea of freedom can be completely unique to another's idea. The “grass is greener on the other side of the hill” complex is a real slippery slope!

Back to the OP:

So whether you like it or not, you've been partially supporting a cashless agenda your entire lives.

You're right @glorkar, we all support the cashless agenda in one way or another.  But it is important to recognize that cash only represents a small percentage of commerce (25% perhaps & its been that way from the beginning).  Plus, the BTCA (& other cashless proponents) wish to be rid of cash use, period. And they're succeeding!  We should be aware of this fact.  We need to question their agenda.  Challenging the lobby group's fallacies (like cash is responsible for crime, money laundering, Covid, etc) is vital. The more we challenge BTCA propaganda, champion cash use, the less we will be manipulated by these organizations.   

Serial_Number_8

I have been used as a punchbag by society and after a while I kinda got fed up with it all and started wishing homelessness on myself.

I hope you change your mind. I wouldn't wish homelessness on my worse enemy.  We are all subjected to ups and downs & the way we deal with our hurdles is how we build character (resilience).   I know that must come off as ‘cliche’ but we all must toughen up as we mature (or we will enter a dark mindset). We all should try to keep a healthy perspective on things.  

 

Try to see the big picture.  I see individuals who are deaf (or have other disabilities) & I can tell you these individuals typically have a lot more personal challenges than most of us can imagine. I only have to think about a day in someone else's shoes & it makes me realize we have unique personal struggles.  It's just a matter of perspective.  You don't have to look very far to see someone worse off than yourself.  

 

I used to dream about being retired. My dream became so romantic that I really thought it would feel like "winning the jackpot" once I was through my career.  Then I retired. Yes it was nice at first (certainly freed from the 9-5 of work) but the novelty wore off. I was soon looking for work!  And the concept of “freedom” is quite porous & subjective. What is one person's idea of freedom can be completely unique to another's idea. The “grass is greener on the other side of the hill” complex is a real slippery slope!

 

Back to the OP:

So whether you like it or not, you've been partially supporting a cashless agenda your entire lives.

You're right @glorkar, we all support the cashless agenda in one way or another.  But it is important to recognize that cash only represents a small percentage of commerce (25% perhaps & its been that way from the beginning).  Plus, the BTCA (& other cashless proponents) wish to be rid of cash use, period. And they're succeeding!  We should be aware of this fact.  We need to question their agenda.  Challenging the lobby group's fallacies (like cash is responsible for crime, money laundering, Covid, etc) is vital. The more we challenge BTCA propaganda, champion cash use, the less we will be manipulated by these organizations.   

I agree with 90% of what you are saying here let me clarify, I know that there's people who are worse off than me and compared to most I have had a Luxurious life and I am greatful for what I have had and now have it is just I keep kicking myself and saying that bad things would not happen to me if i was on the road. I to a point think that this is just a phycological comfort of mine as I have an escape plan from society and when things are looking grim I take comfort in the idea of e not being there. I also realistically cannot do any of this as I have got a family to protect and defend so I am staying put. I over the years have toughend up and many small things that upset others don't bother me “ what does not kill you makes you stronger”. Sometimes I wonder if I could be both “ civilised” and homeless at the same time ie nomad worker such as sailor or trucker or expand on my current career of writing and become a travel writer and live from cheap hotel to cheap hotel, I have known many who have done this and become successful.  Where do you live?