Indian states: a Google Sheet possibly useful for something?

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Hello!

 

I made this Google Sheet a long time ago… I thought I might have posted it in the Referee forum (which I would not be able to view at this point), but the status on Google Sheets itself says unshared, sooooo perhaps I never did. I don't know, but I am sure someone would be able to check for me.

 

If this is a duplicate, please reject this request. If it is not… perhaps something useful can be made from this.

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jWpEC2Fy4J3FiZYTDKTZOKeVwjvNtBSSA1Ak55R1_KA/edit?usp=sharing

 

Some stuff may be out-of-date considering how long ago I made it.

 

Best regards,

Sulfur

Hi ! If “a long time ago” means more than a few months, several issuers may have been added/updated already…

This spreadsheet need a global check/update before being usable I fear :-)

I checked your original post and it was tackled :-)

Status changed to Done (Compendium, 11 Sep 2023, 20:27)

It was made nearly two years ago.  x)

 

I checked some of the “to add” issuers and have not found some of them. Also, I know I made various different requests for India during my time as referee, and do not quite recall everything I have already posted. Would you be able to move that Referee Forum thread to the Numista Coin Catalogue forum, so I can read what has been done on it? Being the author, I do consent to that.  :)

Sulfur

It was made nearly two years ago.  x)

 

I checked some of the “to add” issuers and have not found some of them. Also, I know I made various different requests for India during my time as referee, and do not quite recall everything I have already posted. Would you be able to move that Referee Forum thread to the Numista Coin Catalogue forum, so I can read what has been done on it? Being the author, I do consent to that.  :)

Sorry Im not forum moderator but can screenshot of this short thread ;-)

That is enough for me to remember, thank you.  :)

 

That thread was specifically about the Indian Princely States (which is a monster of its own); the above Sheet I posted was about every other Indian state. Sooooooo this Google Sheets was indeed never posted.

 

I will review all (non-princely) Indian states tomorrow and make some major edits to the above Sheet, and will post again when everything is done. And I will double-check the princely states after all that as well.  x)

Alrighty. Based on what is currently there and how everything is sectioned, here is what I am thinking (bold issuers are ones we currently have in some form):

 

(And the original Google Sheet has been edited to reflect all this.)

 

India
----- Indian states
---------- Champaran, Kingdom of
---------- Gond Kingdoms
--------------- Chandra, Kingdom of
--------------- Devgarh, Kingdom of
--------------- Garha, Kingdom of
---------- Gurjara Confederacy
--------------- Bharuch, Gurjaras of
--------------- Jodhpur, Gurjaras of
--------------- Sindh, Gurjaras of
---------- Gujarat and Rajputana Regions
---------- Gujarat, Chavadas of

---------- Hindu dynasties
--------------- Alupa dynasty
--------------- Bana dynasty
--------------- Chola dynasty
--------------- Harikela, Kingdom of
--------------- Kumaon Kingdom
--------------- Nellore, Telugu Cholas of
--------------- Nolamba dynasty
--------------- Eastern Ganga dynasty
--------------- Garhwal, Kingdom of
--------------- Hangal, Kadambas of
--------------- Hoysala Empire
--------------- Pandya dynasy
--------------- Sendamangalam, Pallavas of
--------------- Sivaganga, Kingdom of
--------------- Western Ganga dynasty
--------------- Vijayanagara Empire
---------- Islamic dynasties
--------------- Ahmadnagar Sultanate
--------------- Bahmani Sultanate
--------------- Bengal Sultanate
--------------- Bijapur Sultanate
--------------- Carnatic, Nawabdom of the
--------------- Cannanore, Kingdom of
--------------- Delhi Sultanate
--------------- Golkonda Sultanate
--------------- Gujarat Sultanate
--------------- Jaunpur Sultanate
--------------- Kalat Khanate
--------------- Kashmir Sultanate
--------------- Khandesh Sultanate
--------------- Ladakh, Kingdom of
--------------- Madurai Sultanate
--------------- Malwa Sultanate
--------------- Rohilkhand, Kingdom of
--------------- Savnur, Nawabs of
--------------- Sur Empire
--------------- Sonaragon Sultanate
--------------- Talpur dynasty
---------- Kabul Shahi dynasties
---------- Kalachuri dynasty
--------------- Kalyani, Kalachuris of
--------------- Maharashtra, Kalachuris of
--------------- Mahismati, Kalachuris of
--------------- Malwa and Vidarbha, Kalachuris of
--------------- Northern Karnakata, Kalachuris of
--------------- Ratanpur, Kalachuris of
--------------- Torgale, Kalachuris of
--------------- Tripuri, Kalachuris of

---------- Kangra, Kingdom of
---------- Kashmir, Post-Hunnic dynasties of
---------- Kayastha dynasty
---------- Maratha Empire
--------------- Maratha Empire
--------------- Thanjavur Maratha, Kingdom of
---------- Mughal Empire
--------------- Alinagar, Fiefdom of
--------------- Arcot, Nawabs of
--------------- Awadh, Nawabs of
--------------- Bengal, Nawabs of
--------------- Cudappah, Nawabs of
--------------- Farrukhabad, Nawabs of
--------------- Mughal Empire
--------------- Surat, Nawabs of
---------- Mysore, Kingdom of

---------- Nayaks
--------------- Chitradurga, Nayaks of
--------------- Coorg Kingdom
--------------- Gingee, Nayaks of
--------------- Ikkeri, Nayaks of
--------------- Tirunelveli, Nayaks of
--------------- Thanjavur, Nayaks of
--------------- Vellore, Nayaks of
---------- Northeastern dynasties
--------------- Arakan, Kingdom of
--------------- Assam, Kingdom of
--------------- Chittagong Region
--------------- Cooch-Behar, Kingdom of
--------------- Gauda, Kingdom of
--------------- Jaintia, Kingdom of
--------------- Kachari, Kingdom of 
--------------- Manipur, Kingdom of
--------------- Mlechchha dynasty
--------------- Sikkim, Kingdom of
--------------- Tripura, Kingdom of
---------- Pala Empire
---------- Pushyabhuti dynasty
---------- Rajput dynasties
--------------- Chaulukya dynasty 
--------------- Chaulukya dynasty (Gujarat)

--------------- Chavada dynasty
--------------- Eastern Chalukya dynasty

--------------- Gahadavala dynasty
--------------- Gurjara-Pratihara dynasty
--------------- Jejakabhukti, Chandelas of
--------------- Kannuaj, Chandelas of

--------------- Malwa, Paramaras of

--------------- Narwar, Kingdom of
--------------- Ranthambore, Chauhans of
--------------- Sambhor and Ajmer, Chauhans of

--------------- South Rajasthan Region

--------------- Tomara dynasty

--------------- Vaghela dynasty
--------------- Vidarbha, Paramaras of

--------------- Western Chalukya dynasty
---------- Rashtrakuta Empire
--------------- Aurangabad Region
--------------- Baglana, Kingdom of
--------------- Khandesh Region
--------------- Rashtrakuta Empire
---------- Shilahara, Kingdom of
--------------- Karahad and Kolhapur, Shilaharas of
--------------- Northern Konkan, Shilaharas of
---------- Sikh Empire
--------------- Multan, City of
--------------- Sikh Empire
---------- Sindh, Kingdom of
---------- Uncertain Southern Indian mint
---------- Yavadas
--------------- Devagiri, Yavadas of
--------------- Haihayas dynasty
--------------- Tribhuvanagiri, Yavadas of
 

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Some of these larger groupings of issuers could fit under more generic ones (like the Islamic or Hindu dynasties); however, I do not think we can yet create fifth-level issuers, so I think this type of organization would work best with our fourth-level issuers.

 

For the already existing issuers, most do require edits. Some are minor and are for consistency (like de-capitalizing “Dynasty” or changing names from “Bengal, Sultanate of” to “Bengal Sultanate”--keeping all items of those titles the same throughout all of India/Ancient India/Islamic States). Some edits are major because the issuer is too generic, and the coin currently under those issuers will be sorted into more appropriate sub-divisions.

 

When I created that list, Numista was only in English and French, and the above Sheet reflects that. I cannot help much with the other languages which have been added.

 

And for any place without coins currently on Numista, I will add their coins after the issuer is created.

 

Thoughts/comments/suggestions are welcomed, of course.  x)

If the status of this thread could be changed to “Open", that would be appreciated.  x)

 

There is no rush to get any of this done, of course. It is just that this is a new (updated) Google Sheet, and I do not want this thread to get lost.  :)

Status changed to Opened (Jarcek, 18 Sep 2023, 18:47)

India and East Asia are in a mess still. Not knowing much about history with script and language barriers are a problem. Will try to tackle the area more.

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Which places in East Asia are the problems? I can always try my best to help with those. I've been gone for a while and have noticed some major changes for some countries--haven't gotten to looking into those ones yet, if it is some of those.  x)

 

I still have more I wish to do to India to make it look nicer. My ultimate goal (which I do think is attainable with fourth-level issuers) is something simple like this:

 

India

----- India

----- India, Colonial

----- Indian states

 

For now, I would like to start with the non-princely Indian states. Those are the biggest problems I see, at least.  :)

Sulfur

Which places in East Asia are the problems? I can always try my best to help with those. I've been gone for a while and have noticed some major changes for some countries--haven't gotten to looking into those ones yet, if it is some of those.  x)

 

I still have more I wish to do to India to make it look nicer. My ultimate goal (which I do think is attainable with fourth-level issuers) is something simple like this:

 

India

----- India

----- India, Colonial

----- Indian states

 

For now, I would like to start with the non-princely Indian states. Those are the biggest problems I see, at least.  :)

Incredible work with the States of India. I really like having only three starting sublevels instead of this:

 

 

I understand that the Princely States would be within Indian States, or, perhaps, due to their numismatic importance, they could be put like this (although I know they should be within Indian States):

 

India

----- India

----- India, Colonial

----- Indian states

----- Princely states

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It makes sense to simplify.

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I do think the Princely states should be under Indian states; however, due to us already using fourth-level issuers, I do believe we should keep them separate for now (because, if we move them now, those fourth-level issuers will become fifth-level issuers, which might cause some problems).

 

For now, I do think it would be best to keep them separate. At the very least, it could be the last thing to discuss, when all else is dealt with.  x)

Sulfur

I do think the Princely states should be under Indian states; however, due to us already using fourth-level issuers, I do believe we should keep them separate for now (because, if we move them now, those fourth-level issuers will become fifth-level issuers, which might cause some problems).

 

For now, I do think it would be best to keep them separate. At the very least, it could be the last thing to discuss, when all else is dealt with.  x)

My noob question is: why do we need to keep sub category for Princely states? We could gather all Indian states in the same category, like we do in Europe for instance ?

Why have sub-categories in general for the Indian states?

 

I think it is always nice to have some categorization in issuers with hundreds (or even dozens) of smaller issuers, especially if some sort of categorization is possible (like with the Islamic states or ancient India, for example). Decently-sized ones we do not have categorization with would include things like German, Italian, or Hungarian states. I do believe categorization would be possible with the Italian states--I remember looking into that years ago but had too much else to do and lost motivation. I also tried looking into the German states, but was not able to find a way to decently group issuers, so… maybe categorization isn't even possible there. And I do not really agree with the Hungarian states as an issuer, but never tackled that because of reasons not important to this thread.

 

There are also Austrian, Belgium, and Swiss states… I've never looked into the first two, but with Austria and Belgium being rather geographically small countries, categorization might not be possible (but again, I cannot confirm that as I have never looked into them). Never looked into the Swiss states either, but that has been categorized.

 

Regardless, categorization is indeed possible within India, so I do believe we should use it for a potentially better understanding of these hundreds of states.

 

Why have the Princely states as a sub-category?

 

This is basically a combination of the Indian states and British India, so I think it is a valid grouping. This also encompasses a large portion of the more modern states of India, so historically, these issuers are at least related in that sense.

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