Merge Brasil Cruzeiro notes? [solved]

Please asses if the 1 and 100 notes of this series should not be merged? I see no difference to allow for separate pages (and non stated on the pages)

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/index.php?ct=banknote&se=Cruzeiro%3B+2nd+Edition%3B+1st+Type&e=bresil

http://www.banknote.ws/COLLECTION/countries/AME/BRA/BRA-BCB.htm#Cruzeiro%20System

1 cruzeiro, both from same printer

119 - prefix A

119A - prefix B

100 cruzeiro

195 - printed by Thomas de la Rue (even though on note is printed Casa da Moeda, so different printer not even visible on banknote)

195A - printed by Casa da Moeda

For the 1 cruzeiro notes, the backgrounds to the head on the obverse and the building on the reverse are different colours, brown from P#191 and green for P#191A. The colour difference is stated in the description but should also be mentioned in the comments.

The colour differences (if any) for the two 100 cruzeiro notes are less distinct and could be down to different scanners. These two look the same in the images on Bank Note Museum.

Bump for additional opinions on this?

Hello!

The banknotes are, in fact, distinct. The main difference between them is the print letter (Print A for P#129 and Print B for P#129A). In addition to this difference, there is the one mentioned by ceh2019.

Differences in the 100 Cruzeiros banknotes have also been clarified.

The national catalogs that are the references (Amato and Bentes) code the banknotes differently (as can be consulted).

I think that the records of both notes should not be combined, leaving them as is.

Greetings!

Could you please summarize what the differences are between P#195 and P#195A? I see an image has been added to the comments of both notes but there doesn't seem to be an explanation of the difference.

ceh2019

Could you please summarize what the differences are between P#195 and P#195A? I see an image has been added to the comments of both notes but there doesn't seem to be an explanation of the difference.

Hello!

Let's try to clarify a little better the variants of this ballot which, in fact, are somewhat confusing.

The SCWPM, in my opinion, only differentiates the P#195 and P#195A banknotes based on the printing house (TDLR for P#195 and Casa da Moeda do Brasil P#195A). An important observation is that, even though they are produced by De la Rue, the P#195 banknotes have the inscription "CASA DA MOEDA DO BRASIL" on the reverse, which is a curious fact.

In fact, the print from series 000001-01358 (P#195, TDLR) has a darker, more reddish tone; while the others produced in Brazil have a lighter tone. The size of the caption fonts on the reverse is also slightly smaller on banknotes produced in England. (see images above of notes from my collection)

The truth is that there are, in fact, very few differences and, in this case, I believe that combining the records could even be beneficial for international collectors. Brazilian notaphilists, in general, use local catalogs that already differentiate between variants with different codes (Amato and Bentes).

I think we can then reach a good conclusion. If merging the records is something that benefits collectors and users here on the site, I really don't see any problem in doing so. =)

Then we can see what the best procedure would be. We have already decided right here in this forum space or whether we need some other procedure. In this case, the "master referees" can help us. ;-)

Thank you for the messages and the exchange of ideas!

Best Regards,

Vladimir

Many thanks for the clarification. I would be content with either combining these two notes or keeping them separate, as long as the (subtle) differences between the two are clearly identified. My preference would be to combine.

Hello!

I am requesting the merger of the two registers into one to facilitate consultation by collectors from all over the world. =)

I appreciate the comments and suggestions on this forum!

Regards,

Vladimir.

vladthiengo

Hello!

 

I am requesting the merger of the two registers into one to facilitate consultation by collectors from all over the world. =)

 

I appreciate the comments and suggestions on this forum!

 

Regards,

Vladimir.

Please chose the one to keep, make the changes needed accordingly (notably about yearlines) then when everything is good let us know for moving collections :-)

Compendium

vladthiengo

Hello!

 

I am requesting the merger of the two registers into one to facilitate consultation by collectors from all over the world. =)

 

I appreciate the comments and suggestions on this forum!

 

Regards,

Vladimir.

Please chose the one to keep, make the changes needed accordingly (notably about yearlines) then when everything is good let us know for moving collections :-)

Hi, Compendium!

Everything is already detailed in this topic below. =) Any additional questions, just report. Thanks!

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic96755-2.html#dernier

Done :-)