The 1970-1983 1 Peso is missing some variants in the catalogue. [solved]

Hello everybody - so I was going through trying to identify a bag of foreign coins that I’ve had lying around for a while, and after a while of looking, I realized that there’s no section for the coin that I have in the catalogue on this page. I have a 1981 Peso with open 8 and open 9 that I believe is not wide date, and the only 1981 variants that I see are Open 8, Closed 9; Closed 8, Open 9; and Open 8, Wide Date. Am I crazy, or is my variant missing?

Just look at the page and you'll find the documentation

I believe he means there is no line item for the 1981 ‘Open 9’ & ‘Open 8’. Also, there is no pic of the ‘Open 8 wide date’.

Correct - I’m also not sure why it just says “open 8” and not “open &, open 9,” since one of the other variants specifies open 9.

SRV5490

I believe he means there is no line item for the 1981 ‘Open 9’ & ‘Open 8’. Also, there is no pic of the ‘Open 8 wide date’.

This graphic is on the coinpage (see more)

I think, I have a coin with the wide date, I'll try to find it and document it.

So here is my findings of the 1981 wide date, which does NOT correspond to the sayings of Numista. In SCWC (KM) it isn't mentioned at all, so maybe we should modify Numista according to this?

If any of you can find other 1981, 1 peso coins, with other constellations, I would be very interested in obtaining hi-res images of the coins.

A CR has been issued.

Comments are welcome, thanks.

Ole

Sjoelund

If any of you can find other 1981, 1 peso coins, with other constellations, I would be very interested in obtaining hi-res images of the coins.

A CR has been issued.

Comments are welcome, thanks.

 

Ole

You have just defined a new year line, “Closed 8, Closed 9, Wide date”  unless the existing “Closed 8, Closed 9” is also “Wide Date.”  The OP's coin is clearly another year line, “Open 8, Open 9”  since it doesn't look like a “Wide Date” (to me).  I don't think we know enough to modify any year line comments.  Perhaps, for now, just add the 2 year lines we now know exists?

rsirian1

Sjoelund

If any of you can find other 1981, 1 peso coins, with other constellations, I would be very interested in obtaining hi-res images of the coins.

A CR has been issued.

Comments are welcome, thanks.

 

Ole

You have just defined a new year line, “Closed 8, Closed 9, Wide date”  unless the existing “Closed 8, Closed 9” is also “Wide Date.”  The OP's coin is clearly another year line, “Open 8, Open 9”  since it doesn't look like a “Wide Date” (to me).  I don't think we know enough to modify any year line comments.  Perhaps, for now, just add the 2 year lines we now know exists?

You're right of course, we miss images. I'll ask allred1950 (Daryl) to take a look in his box with Mexican coins, maybe that'll clear everything up?

Sjoelund

 

You're right of course, we miss images. I'll ask allred1950 (Daryl) to take a look in his box with Mexican coins, maybe that'll clear everything up?

Hopefully but I wouldn't count on it.

Let's list what we know for sure, what we (you) have pictures of:

Closed 8, Closed 9, Wide Date:  

Closed 8, Open 9, Narrow Date:

Open 8, Open 9, Narrow Date: 

Closed 8, Closed 9, Narrow Date (double check this one):

We have nothing showing “open 8, wide date” that's on the Numista page.

Here is an extract from Mexican catalog, but without images

I don't see my wide date?

The first 2 lines don't say what type on 9 there is and the last 2 don't say if wide/narrow date so it's hard to equate to our list.

The only open 8 is a wide date.  Is this a wide date?

I think I'm giving up but I would suggest not to delete any of the existing Numista year lines.

I've down loaded images from internet which I'll try process tomorrow.  But it's  looking like a mystery to me.

Hi everyone

   I have found around 50 1981 pesos. I am going through right now. May take some time.

Every time i work with these pesos i find something else. Hear is a new one. Look at the end of his bandana. Normally there are two tails.

 that is with closed 8. 

But with open 8 There is only one

So i pulled a 1978 open 8. Samething only one tail showing

And i just found this from reading this post. Don't even start with the tails or knouts. You have large and small. Touching the head and not touching his head. And the mint marts, close to the rim , and in the middle. Thick and thin. Different M's.

 Iam thinking his coin has a small 9 . Making it look wade. I know with the 19XX , you have large 1's and small. Same with the 9's. But i will have to see what i found. I will have to look at all my open 8 to see if they to have only one tail.

   yours daryl  

Oh iam getting old. All the numbers in the date i have found large and small ones.

I think i need some younger eyes to look at this.

let me know what you think. thank you daryl

Both Open 8, Open 9, not Wide Date.

Pay no attention to the units.  Both coins' dates are the same width.

yes my measurement said the about the same. But just does not look right. I will keep looking.

Time to get some rest. But i did find a nice die cheap. !981 

It is how far do you want to go at this time at the Mexico mint. Over used dies, and mint worker cleaning and recutting. Alot of changes are made by mint workers. Iam thinking this is a recut die.Thick and thin date

or were did the legs go.

die cleaning.

or were is the date

it is what it is

I have tried to analyze my downloaded images and have come to this:

What do you think? Are my wide dates both valid?

Great work!!!  I think the open 9, open 8, wide date is a little questionable but since both your Mexican catalog and SCWC have it and it's already in Numista I think it must exist.  So, this is what we're left with:

Now, are you going to do 1970-1980 and 1982-1983?  Haha, just kidding.  🤪

1982 done😁

Corresponds nearly to numista, except the open 8 should have “wide date” as well?

1983

Sjoelund

1982 done😁

 

Corresponds nearly to numista, except the open 8 should have “wide date” as well?

Numista has the right 1982 year lines.  You could add “wide date” to both of them.

Sjoelund

1983

 

Good but a few typos.

Right, copy/paste

The 1981 CR I cancelled, since I wanted to wait for your opinions on the 1981, 82 & 83 documentations.

If no more comments are made, I'll make the CR?

Ciao

Sjoelund

Right, copy/paste

This is the unchanged one.  I have no more comments.  

Hi all

 Hope you are well. Sorry for being late . I only had 4 1981 open 8. And all were the same. I had some issues pop up. Ole as all ways you are great, thank you

I think this presentation shows the 3 different varieties of the 1981 coin quite well? I have put my former two one together to end up with only one!

Please verify, if I have made it correctly?

Sjoelund

I think this presentation shows the 3 different varieties of the 1981 coin quite well? I have put my former two one together to end up with only one!

 

 

Please verify, if I have made it correctly?

I thought we already came to the conclusion there were five distinct 1981 variants?

Sjoelund

I think this presentation shows the 3 different varieties of the 1981 coin quite well? I have put my former two one together to end up with only one!

 

Please verify, if I have made it correctly?

This graphic only shows three 1981 variants.  It's missing closed 8, closed 9, narrow date and open 8, open 9, narrow date.  Both of these variants you have shown in a graphic above in this thread.

I see that the coin page has just been revised to include all five 1981 variant year lines.