Tag inconsistency related to Muskox [solved]

Hello,

We have several items in the catalogue bearing the image of a Muskox.

Some are tagged with Bovine and others with caprine.

I made CR to uniformise the situation with link to Wikipedia and 1 get rejected.

So please can we uniformise the tag of Muskox to Caprine!

Muskox are Bovidae like cows or goat, but cows are part of Bovinae and Muskox part of Caprinae.

Surprisingly, all my CR rejected or appealed in the last 30 days are from 1 only referee:

Dear friend,

I was expecting this from you and you did not dispapointed/suprised me. 🤣

That's why I added the Caprine TAG and these comments, before you post a message here:

Selon l'article consulté, incluant Wikipédia, le boeuf musqué fait partie de la famille des Bovidea sous-famille des Caprinae.

Depending on the article you read, including Wikipedia, the Musk Ox is part of the Bovidae, Caprinea sub-family.

Bovidea or caprinea ??? It's well known and understandable many people make the error of saying bovine for the Musk Ox. But I would like to point out that we are not here to play zoologists, we are coin collectors. 

The most important thing is, did you find the coin you were looking for ? 

When are you becoming a master referee ? You could spend all the free time you have correcting these details instead of adding missing coins to the database ?

Best regards,

Québécois

Bovidea or caprinea ??? It's well known and understandable many people make the error of saying bovine for the Muskox. But I would like to point out that we are not here to play zoologists, we are coin collectors. 

My point is harmonization, we can't have 1 a certain way and the others, another way, that's all :-)

When are you becoming a master referee ?

I am obviously too lazy to become master referee :-)

You could spend all the free time you have correcting these details instead of adding missing coins to the database.

I would be happy when I will have created as many pages as you did, but looks like I don't have all the free time that I need to do so.

 

My point is harmonization, we can't have 1 a certain way and the others, another way, that's all :-)

 

 

I just did a search with the word Muskox and it returned only one coin…so I think it's harmonized.

Enough time lost on this, I will work now on the 3 daily coins I would like to add to the database.

Have a nice day end.

Québécois

I just did a search with the word Muskox and it returned only one coin…so I think it's harmonized.

 

Enough time lost on this, I will work now on the 3 daily coins I would like to add to the database.

As strange at it will sounds to you Numista is not only for coins but we also have banknotes and Exonumia :-)

Indomini16

Québécois

I just did a search with the word Muskox and it returned only one coin…so I think it's harmonized.

 

Enough time lost on this, I will work now on the 3 daily coins I would like to add to the database.

As strange at it will sounds to you Numista is not only for coins but we also have banknotes and Exonumia :-)

No result for banknotes either and I don't care about Exonumia since it's anything and everything. But there's 2 results with tag Bovine, 1 with tag Caprine and 1 with tag Prehistoric animal 🤣

Adding all items varieties (Coins, Banknotes and Exonumia) I calculated that they are 689113 items in the database. Of those, only 3 are in need of an “harmonization” for the unsignificant tag Caprine. 

What a wonderfull, joyfull and usefull time spent on this… for you, me and everyone that will read this thread.

Indomini16

 

Surprisingly, all my CR rejected or appealed in the last 30 days are from 1 only referee:

So it's Musk Ox not Muskox according to your source (screen capture). Another rejection you will contest ?!? 

Wiki says it is more related to goats than cows. Carpinae it is.

No change request is insignificant and yes, we should always harmonize.

Like I said, the Caprine tag was ADDED manually by myself right from the start with comments explaining why in both languages (french and english).

I rejected the request because it would have deleted the Bovine tag. I wanted to keep this tag to prevent the next guy to submit another request to change it back to Bovine, as so many people make the mistake. Now, if Indomini16 had look again at the coin or wrote me a private message instead of writing a complaint in the forum he would have realize the tag Caprine was there and with comments to explain the Caprine tag. 

A CR rejection should not result for any member in creating a forum post to complain as his first step. A member can allways ask a referee in a private message for more explaination if the one provided in the rejection summary is not clear. You can also appeal if you still don't agree with the private message explanaition from the referee. No need to alert the entire planet in a forum about an insignifiant detail of this kind and have everyone loose their time reading about it.

Don't take CR rejections personnaly, I know it might be hard for your ego, but sometimes referees have hidden reasons behind a rejection.

Québécois

but sometimes referees have hidden reasons behind a rejection.

We are definitely not in ligne but fine for me.

But I will never agree with the above statement, that’s the difference between a collaborative catalog and a despotic one. In a collaborative catalog rejection are motivated and users empowered. Unmotivated rejection will lead in the long run in the lack of members collaboration and I believe it’s not the goal of the Numista team.

Still, errorneous tag should be deleted. 

Jarcek

Still, errorneous tag should be deleted. 

I will quote you :

Reply from Jarcek: Nothing specific, referee work is a volunteer work, referees can focus on what interest them most.

I have a limited amount of time to add/modify missing info and coins to the database and I don't want to spent it fixing stupid things like Caprine and Bovine sub-family of mamals or anything of this kind after Indomini16's reaction. I'm not a zoologist and most of our members aren't either and don't care I suppose about Caprine or Bovine in this case. We are here for the listing of coins not Caprines or Bovines.

What is this madness with TAGS anyway ? I've seen coins with 10 tags. Why don't we limit the tags to the main subject on a coin (2 or 3 tags at the most). When I look at your Improvment hints available to referees for tags it's completly out of hands. Why is there a tag for birds and add a tag for eagles.  Why eagles and not humminbirds or ducks or parrots ? It's just an exemple, there's others like this. Maybe Numista should stick to general TAGS and not sub-families as most member don't even know the difference between a caprine, a bovine and a prehistoric animal.

Have fun between yourselves correcting these tags that are insignifiant/unusefull to coin collecting, I will continue to add/modify more important infos about coins to the database. 

Do you want me to automatically reject those request from now on so you can take care of them when members will appeal Mr. Jarcek ?

If you do not have time to solve request, then leave it be, master referees can process them afterwards. Tags are important in any database. In fact, we have quite general tags, not specific enough really.