Usa 1914 federal 100$ note from philadelpia.

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Hello everyone.

Some times ago i bought 4 banknotes from same dealer. That person was not known, she just posted those notes in local numismatic group and i bought all (4) pieces from her for 1.5k$

Comdition is like a VF+ to XF.

I have made some research and found some interesting stuff.

Some people said this series from phila were counterfeit by USSR goverment to make USA s economy feel week. Anyway i found exact same series sold on Heritage.com in 2005 for 1.400usd

And in one forum i found people discuissing about this banlnotes, where someone mentioned that it was up to sale on market for 900$ (in 2013)

I am really interested about evaluating those notes.

https://currency.ha.com/itm/large-size/federal-reserve-notes/fr-1092-100-1914-federal-reserve-note-extremely-fine-about-new-lightly-quarter-folded-but-strictly-original-fully-bright-a/a/348-18218.s?ic16=ViewItem-BrowseTabs-Auction-Archive-ThisAuction-120115

Yes. The Soviet Union was producing forgeries of some western currencies in the 1930s. This only came to light in the 1990s after the collapse of the Soviet Union. 

As far as I recall, the serial number ranges of the forgeries are known from Soviet Union records.


The notes were distributed through many western countries and have turned up in bundles in the past. 

I think they were more likely to have been a means of funding communist activity abroad in the 1930s, rather than any attempt to destabalise the US or any other economy.


The US Series of 1914 $100 forgeries have a small flaw on the reverse design which makes it possible to distinguish them from genuine notes. It has been a while since I looked at these, and I cannot recall where the design flaw is. 

Grades range up to AU. There is published literature on these forgeries.


If you are interested, I can see if I can find an article I kept on the forgeries of the 1914 notes, though information on them should be available online. I also have an example of one of the forgeries, I might dig it out if I can find it.

 

Interestingly, many extant modern small size US 100 dollar notes up to 1990 were known to be forgeries, to the extent that the denomination was refused for exchange in many countries. The design dated from 1928 and had not been modernised since then. Microprinting was added after 1990, and the design was then replaced with modern notes later on.

Hibernia

Yes. The Soviet Union was producing forgeries of some western currencies in the 1930s. This only came to light in the 1990s after the collapse of the Soviet Union. 

As far as I recall, the serial number ranges of the forgeries are known from Soviet Union records.


The notes were distributed through many western countries and have turned up in bundles in the past. 

I think they were more likely to have been a means of funding communist activity abroad in the 1930s, rather than any attempt to destabalise the US or any other economy.


The US Series of 1914 $100 forgeries have a small flaw on the reverse design which makes it possible to distinguish them from genuine notes. It has been a while since I looked at these, and I cannot recall where the design flaw is. 

Grades range up to AU. There is published literature on these forgeries.


If you are interested, I can see if I can find an article I kept on the forgeries of the 1914 notes, though information on them should be available online. I also have an example of one of the forgeries, I might dig it out if I can find it.

 

Interestingly, many extant modern small size US 100 dollar notes up to 1990 were known to be forgeries, to the extent that the denomination was refused for exchange in many countries. The design dated from 1928 and had not been modernised since then. Microprinting was added after 1990, and the design was then replaced with modern notes later on.

Thank you for your reply, i would love to read that article, if it is possible. What is your opinion about pricing? As you can see those ones vary from VF to XF

I assign no value to my example, as a forgery it has no value.

An issue with the forgeries is that some of them have been graded by grading companies some years back!

Did you check that link above? One of those were sold for 1.4k , while i have paid 400$ per one i am looking my best to sell them just to get what i have paid…

Yes. 2004 is about right for the forgeries. I found the article from Banknote Reporter, July 2004, titled ‘Fake 1914 $100s found’ - it details the design flaws in the forgeries.

 

Paper money researcher Doug Murray is mentioned in the article as having identified the flaws and applied the identifying phrase ‘Short Thumb, Smiley Face’ to the counterfeit notes.

 

I googled the phrase and found this thread:

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/1914-100-counterfeit-or-not.222175/

It details where to look for the flaws on the forgeries.

 

I also found this possibly related article in Time which mentions other currencies:

https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,738606,00.html

 

 

I have not kept up on this, as I stopped actively collecting US currency 20 years ago, and sold most of my large size notes to concentrate on the 1928 and 1928A small size. I kept the 1914 $100 because it was a forgery and I could not sell it as such. I did not know it was a forgery when I bought it, nor did the dealer who sold it to me, so no worries there. Also, i like th e1914 series so kept all the denominations.

Hibernia

Yes. 2004 is about right for the forgeries. I found the article from Banknote Reporter, July 2004, titled ‘Fake 1914 $100s found’ - it details the design flaws in the forgeries.

 

Paper money researcher Doug Murray is mentioned in the article as having identified the flaws and applied the identifying phrase ‘Short Thumb, Smiley Face’ to the counterfeit notes.

 

I googled the phrase and found this thread:

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/1914-100-counterfeit-or-not.222175/

It details where to look for the flaws on the forgeries.

 

I also found this possibly related article in Time which mentions other currencies:

https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,738606,00.html

 

 

I have not kept up on this, as I stopped actively collecting US currency 20 years ago, and sold most of my large size notes to concentrate on the 1928 and 1928A small size. I kept the 1914 $100 because it was a forgery and I could not sell it as such. I did not know it was a forgery when I bought it, nor did the dealer who sold it to me, so no worries there. Also, i like th e1914 series so kept all the denominations.

To be honest i am disapointed because i bought those notes for resale but and i am loosing a lot money, but i am still happy because that comrade was from Georgia, so am I, and it still might be an interesting piece.

Anyway if i had oportunity i would get rid of those notes. Before i bouught it i messaged to STACK AND BOWERS where they offered me 800$ per piece and they mentioned that it was counterfeit but still interesting notes. My brother lives in NYC and i send those notes to him to send them and get paid for more safety. When he send them message they refused to buy…

So this is story how i lost 1.5k on fake notes :)

Anyway thanks for your timing and attantion.

Glad to be of help.

 

If StacksBowers are making an offer for the notes as counterfeit, then that establishes a value for them. As I said, it has been a long time since I looked at US currency, so am not up on current values.

Hibernia

Glad to be of help.

 

If StacksBowers are making an offer for the notes as counterfeit, then that establishes a value for them. As I said, it has been a long time since I looked at US currency, so am not up on current values.

That was main wiestion for me to determain price of those notes, as a picture shows above someone were selling this kind of note for 900$ in 2013, so if i sell 3 of those for a price i have paid it would be still good, i would love to maintain one note in my collection

Here is an illustration I made just now from two notes on the Heritage link above.

 

Detail on reverse.
Genuine note (left), thumb covers part of the stem; counterfeit (right) thumb is clear of the stem.

 

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