Surpreme Grandmaster
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Posted: 20 May 2023, 05:01
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This coin is not worth one yuan, its worth 7 maces and two candareens, right?
KW
ceh2019
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Posted: 20 May 2023, 21:25
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Posted: 20 May 2023, 21:25
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The translation of the Chinese text is poor. In the centre are the characters 壹 and 元 which mean "one yuan". 7 mace 2 candareens is the weight.
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
Idolenz
Catalogue referee
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Posted: 21 May 2023, 00:03
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Posted: 21 May 2023, 00:03
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The yuan was valued at 0.72 tael, (or 7 mace and 2 candareens which are ~26.84 g).
Surpreme Grandmaster
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Posted: 21 May 2023, 01:21
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Isnt it yuanbao, the currency? In China, they used weight as a form of denomination of currency, right?
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ceh2019
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Posted: 21 May 2023, 11:27
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Posted: 21 May 2023, 11:27
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Edited: 21 May 2023, 12:54
The four Chinese characters are
宣 寶 元 統
Unfortunately, the current lettering field gives the first character as 壹, creating a phrase that could be read as “one whole money unit”. In fact, it's the Emperor's name Xuāntǒng (top and bottom) and yuánbǎo (left and right) which is literally treasure unit. This could be a reference to these ingots or simply implying bullion.
We have the last two Emperor's names given in the translation but, if they are both there, the earlier one can only come from the Manchu writing in the centre.
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
Surpreme Grandmaster
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Posted: 21 May 2023, 13:39
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So… why dont we change it then?
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ceh2019
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Posted: 21 May 2023, 14:01
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Posted: 21 May 2023, 14:01
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Surpreme Grandmaster
So… why dont we change it then?
I'd like to be sure what the Manchu text says, then get the whole thing right.
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
Surpreme Grandmaster
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Posted: 22 May 2023, 08:49
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Posted: 22 May 2023, 08:49
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Yeh, is there any way to check Manchu language?
KW
Status changed to Done
(Compendium , 21 Aug 2023, 18:38)
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