To me, it's clear that full serial numbers should not be included in the lettering of a banknote. However, the guidelines (clearly copied over in part from coins) do not specifically say that these should be omitted. I've tried to remove them from this note but the referee refuses. Can we have some clarity in the guidelines on this?
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
I see no reason to remove or not to add a serial number (could be even helpful in certain circumstances). What I see in your example is '(Séries)' in the lettering field which should be removed.
Why do we add the date when it will be different on most coins, why add any text on medieval coins when there are countless variations? Because its written on the coin/note simple as that.
On some older note it can also help with identifying your own serial if that interests you, or if it uses a foreign script in a different font that is used in today's digital ones it provides an example and a transcription/translation.
Nobody is forcing you too add them, just leave them be if they are there, they won't bite you.
Why do we add the date when it will be different on most coins, why add any text on medieval coins when there are countless variations? Because its written on the coin/note simple as that.
On some older note it can also help with identifying your own serial if that interests you, or if it uses a foreign script in a different font that is used in today's digital ones it provides an example and a transcription/translation.
Nobody is forcing you too add them, just leave them be if they are there, they won't bite you.
Surely we don't include the date on a coin if it is issued with more than one date? That information goes in the year lines. If there are significant variations in the text on a coin (i.e., more than just a dot here or there) they should be separated. Lots of things are written on notes that we don't include (such as microprinting) but the point about the serial number is that the one we give is only on one note, not on all. We can and do sometimes use series letters or numbers in year lines (particularly if they can be used to date notes) but that's very different, since there may be millions of notes in a single series.
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
If the date is on the coin,then it goes in the lettering field ofc. The lettering field is only about the very specimen shown with photos of the entry.
If the date is on the coin,then it goes in the lettering field ofc. The lettering field is only about the very specimen shown with photos of the entry.
That would be perfectly correct if this was a catalogue of a particular collection, allowing every piece to be registered individually. However, our pages refer to types, not individual coins or notes within that type. Setting aside coin dates for a moment, do you think serial numbers should be included in the lettering for a bank note?
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
What is the point of having the serial number in the lettering field?
What is the benefits of not having it?
The lettering field is to mention the lettering display on the item show on the page, and as you can’t place comment on this field it’s better to just place the lettering as it is.
What is the point of having the serial number in the lettering field?
What is the benefits of not having it?
The lettering field is to mention the lettering display on the item show on the page, and as you can’t place comment on this field it’s better to just place the lettering as it is.
The lettering field in my opinion is useful for searching for a coin when you have no idea about it. Nobody is going to do a search based on a serial number.
The lettering field in my opinion is useful for searching for a coin when you have no idea about it. Nobody is going to do a search based on a serial number.
Ok, but what is the benefits to not have it? It is display in order to make sure no one make CR to add it and you can then see on a used note where it should be.
It’s not useful for search neither in coins or Exonumia it’s just consistency. If you say put the text display on the item is easier than put the text minus that and that, newbies may not know witch text is the serial and what is part of the note.
Some put the serial number in the lettering field because they want to, and most of don't. It doesn't add any additional information to the page. But in the end, we will have a catalogue where some of the notes have the serial numbers written in that field and most of them will not. Lack of consistency, that's the biggest problem we have here on Numista.
The guideline is clear, lettering field is for what is one the note. If it’s not on the lettering field currently is just beca the guideline is not being followed.
Some put the serial number in the lettering field because they want to, and most of don't. It doesn't add any additional information to the page. But in the end, we will have a catalogue where some of the notes have the serial numbers written in that field and most of them will not. Lack of consistency, that's the biggest problem we have here on Numista.
Indeed about consistency,but if you're eager to make massive but useful change requests, there are many things to fix before serial numbers I believe :-)
Some put the serial number in the lettering field because they want to, and most of don't. It doesn't add any additional information to the page. But in the end, we will have a catalogue where some of the notes have the serial numbers written in that field and most of them will not. Lack of consistency, that's the biggest problem we have here on Numista.
Indeed about consistency,but if you're eager to make massive but useful change requests, there are many things to fix before serial numbers I believe :-)
I agree there are things more important than this. But making thing clear from the begining will help in the future.
