Blank tokens

Moving this here so as to not get in a discussion on the Duplicate thread.

Here is my original post.

JLHare

Do the following fall within the scope of Numista?

I tried to find it, but I could have sworn there was a discussion that blank tokens were not allowed.

These are just the Unspecified issuers

 

N#345524

N#345930

N#334552

N#165702

N#138779

N#346821

N#120483

N#307422

N#307423

N#308645

And a reply

Blank tokens are tokens, so if tokens are out of scop of Exonumia what should be in scop ?

I like tokens, all tokens, but I do not consider an unknown blank piece of metal a token. What was it used for? What historical importance does it offer? Now, if an answer can be provided, then I will call it a token or Exonumia. As for the Scope of Numista it states Exonumia to be - Objects of historical interest or collectable items that resemble or relate to coins and banknotes. Since blank planchets are not considered coins I feel blank metals objects are not tokens till proven so and the list above is all unknown objects.

Jerry

I do agree that blank tokens are particular, but I think they belong to the catalog.

Maybe we can group pages a bit differently than what we do for others token by example a page by diameter and material, and tickness and weight on line level.

I have 2 blank tokens used for car wash by example and I know they are appreciated by collector.

I will completely agree about your two car wash tokens being appreciated by a collector. You know what they are, where they belong. If you have the W’s (Who, What, When and Where) or even some of that information I can appreciate the token. But again, I only mention the unspecified tokens. Having no home or information on them. I can’t appreciate something  completely unknown.  For instance 

N#120483

looks like the knock out of an electric panel box to me.

I can agree with you if instead of 10 unknown pages, 1 page with 10 variants noted on a date line would be better.

JLHare

I will completely agree about your two car wash tokens being appreciated by a collector. You know what they are, where they belong. If you have the W’s (Who, What, When and Where) or even some of that information I can appreciate the token. But again, I only mention the unspecified tokens. Having no home or information on them. I can’t appreciate something  completely unknown.  For instance 

N#120483

looks like the knock out of an electric panel box to me.

 

I can agree with you if instead of 10 unknown pages, 1 page with 10 variants noted on a date line would be better.

There is little difference between blank tokens and tokens having some basic text, but with unknown issuer - until someone adds known fact or just adds issuer for fun or for other alterior motive (to swap it away). In Yugoslavia there were at least 70+ types of amusement tokens with no lettering, with cutouts, some with holes and some with grooves (and different metal, weight, diameter…). I believe these tokens deserve a temporal category until being updated to the right issuer and type. To have all such tokens available for easy search some common identifier would also be nice, eg. “blank token” tag or similar. I have like 2-3 kg of such tokens just staying there in a box for some decades now. I would not like to throw these away, just because for now someone don't appreciates these pieces because of lack of data.

LP