I just had an experience of a member actively soliciting sales of their coins.
How do I go to report this activity (via PM) so this can be addressed? Is someone responsible for policing this?
Thanks.
I think, that in some cases, it's OK, see example below.
A swapper somewhere in the world wants to swap his coins for euro notes, since he has started to collect notes from the EU and is thus giving up his coins. In my opinion, that's fully OK?
This could be done for any origin of wanted notes!
Understandable Ole, and there's also the case of someone opening a swap and if there are no coins of interest to the other peer asking if they would be willing to sell.
My case is a bit different, a member soliciting a sale:
Member: Are you interested in my coins
Me: We can try a swap, please select the coins you want and I'll see if we can proceed
Member: Please select what you like and I'll give you the best offer. I will pay the shipping cost and send a gift coin
Me: I'm not interested in buying coins, and sales are prohibited in Numista. If you want to swap please select coins you want
Member: [Selects 50 coins] worth about U$50
Me: [Sets coins apart and selects 20 coins worth about US$] Please note that due to weight I'll have to send 2 separate letters
Member: Let me give you a solution to this. My offer is 200 Euro shipping included + 1 gift coin
Me: So… you were actually trying to make a sale here. I told you clearly I have no intention to buy, and soliciting sales is prohibited. I also pointed out to a number of other sites that are meant for sales.
Looking at this individual's profile it seems this is not his first sale as there are references in the language used by the people who reviewed it hinting of this activity.
I believe this member should -at the very least- be warned against using the site as a storefront.
It would seem you have just joined the "Numista Police Force” or an informant at the least.
Hmmmm, the NPF. Is it just me or is anyone else getting a faint whiff of Gestapo?
Back when Numista banned sales, that was my 1st question. “Question: When does hiring for the “Sales Police” start?”. It's a slippery slope my friends.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure, that just ain't so. Mark Twain
I personally don't mind sales in Numista. Private sales would be very hard to police and I'm not against them. I have been on both sides of these operations, but they all came out of swap negotiations where the other peer didn't find coins to match and an offer to purchase was made.
The scenario I experienced was completely the opposite: Someone reaching out to me asking if I want to buy his coins (active soliciting).
There's very little difference between this behavior and what's known as SPAM in the email world. This individual may be sending thousands of “sell” requests every day. I don't know.
This behavior should, IMHO, be curtailed, for two reasons:
1) It is annoying, it's wasting people's time (I spent 2 hs setting aside coins he reluctantly requested, only to tell me “I'm not really interested in your coins, but now that you told me which ones you like, I'll sell them to you for 200 euros”).
2) It may have legal implications to Numista if it is seen as an active marketplace
I don't want to police decent behaviour, I've been a contributing member of this community for almost 5 years, I've completed many successful swaps and made a bunch of good relationships along the way, I've PM'd new members and coached them through “how to swap” and other tips. Personally I don't think what this member did was in line with the rules, not of the site, but of good membership. And I'm not asking for him to be banished, just to be asked to refrain from spamming or contacting random people offering coins for sale.
That is nothing, I had some Australian guy start a conversation with me on NZ coins and then wanted me to send him some. It was begging pure and simple.
Plus in my normal email I got a begging email from someone called Bless Omokoreke from Cameroon saying he was very poor due to President Paul Biya burning his house down and foreign coins sold at the marche would bring his family enough groundnuts to survive or some crap and the blessings of reverend so and so would help me.
I nearly fell off my chair laughing, as he has money to send spam messages on the internet, but can't buy groundnuts?
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
It is also a possibility, imo, to just ignore such requests, instead of asking for a ‘Numista Police Force’….| Are there not already more than enough ‘police-forces’ in the world? Just asking.
That's exactly what I was planning to do when I stated “I'm not interested in buying coins”, until this individual said he wanted to swap, selected 50 or so coins (which took me 2+ hours to set aside and gather their values - ~U$50- and select coins to match) only for him to get back to me with a “nevermind, just send me 200 euros for the coins you want”.
So he never intended to swap, he just wanted me to pick up coins from his list to solicit the sale.
I'm not for policing sales, not at all; but what makes this community great is respect and understanding, and this individual showed none. IMHO we should clearly disuade these kind of behaviours as not acceptable.
Hallo Limbru, Thanks, now I got you. In the behaviour of some ‘swappers’ is indeed room for improvement, to say it politely. I also met people who want to swap all of my silver-coins, only to find out they do not have anything seriously to offer in return, very annoying.
Fellows, I am afraid you are mixing up issues which do not have a single link to coin collecting.
Regarding the Gestapo:
it never chased numismats, so mentionning it is out of scope.
it not only chased israelists but also christians (catholic and protestants), as well as politic opponents, from communists to royalists, making the mention out of scope too.
To make a long story short, the Gestapo chased and oppressed all the bodies that did not shared the official opinion. So, please, keep that in mind and avoid chasing the members who are not sharing your opinion and beliefs.
Fellows, I am afraid you are mixing up issues which do not have a single link to coin collecting.
Regarding the Gestapo:
it never chased numismats, so mentionning it is out of scope.
it not only chased israelists but also christians (catholic and protestants), as well as politic opponents, from communists to royalists, making the mention out of scope too.
To make a long story short, the Gestapo chased and oppressed all the bodies that did not shared the official opinion. So, please, keep that in mind and avoid chasing the members who are not sharing your opinion and beliefs.
Thanks in advance.
This is not only knowledgable about social issues and history, it’s witty and gave me a great laugh.
I love how both claimed that the other was not worth arguing with and yet the argument went on for all to see. There are many injustices in the world. I stand with the Jewish people and all types of people in the world. Lets all take a deep breath, it’s going to be ok.
Taking a break from swapping for a while, but still interested in pre 1799 Spanish coins, I will make time for that!
Veille Pile - What in God's name is an “Israelist”. Are you speaking transliterated French, because it makes no sense. Do you mean.
1. A Zionist?
2. A right wing Israeli citizen?
3. Any Jewish citizen of Israel?
4. Any Jewish person?
I just find it confusing and borderline offensive, not all of us support Palestine and Islamic Jihad. I myself support Israel and Judaism over Islam.
Also Israel did not exist until 1948, the Gestapo (Nazi state police) ended in mid 1945, so I assume you are referring to Europeans who practiced Judaism (Most considered themselves European citizens of whatever country they were in, not just as “Jews”).
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
Fellows, I am afraid you are mixing up issues which do not have a single link to coin collecting.
Regarding the Gestapo:
it never chased numismats, so mentionning it is out of scope.
it not only chased israelists but also christians (catholic and protestants), as well as politic opponents, from communists to royalists, making the mention out of scope too.
To make a long story short, the Gestapo chased and oppressed all the bodies that did not shared the official opinion. So, please, keep that in mind and avoid chasing the members who are not sharing your opinion and beliefs.
Thanks in advance.
I've been thinking about this for a while, but I don't feel you understand why I started the discussion here.
What happened in this thread, in my view, is that the behavior of the topic starter is compared to the behavior of a criminal organisation. I would feel the same if instead of the Gestapo, a comparison was made with the regimes of Videla, Pinochet or the apartheid in South Africa (and the list is much longer than that of course). That the comparison with the Gestapo was made in the weekend the Holocaust was commemorated, and those two are inextricably linked(!), makes it even more hurtful.
I like a strong discussion, but in my opinion a line was crossed here. I feel the moderators should take a harder line on this.
Fellows, I am afraid you are mixing up issues which do not have a single link to coin collecting.
Regarding the Gestapo:
it never chased numismats, so mentionning it is out of scope.
it not only chased israelists but also christians (catholic and protestants), as well as politic opponents, from communists to royalists, making the mention out of scope too.
To make a long story short, the Gestapo chased and oppressed all the bodies that did not shared the official opinion. So, please, keep that in mind and avoid chasing the members who are not sharing your opinion and beliefs.
Thanks in advance.
I've been thinking about this for a while, but I don't feel you understand why I started the discussion here.
What happened in this thread, in my view, is that the behavior of the topic starter is compared to the behavior of a criminal organisation. I would feel the same if instead of the Gestapo, a comparison was made with the regimes of Videla, Pinochet or the apartheid in South Africa (and the list is much longer than that of course). That the comparison with the Gestapo was made in the weekend the Holocaust was commemorated, and those two are inextricably linked(!), makes it even more hurtful.
I like a strong discussion, but in my opinion a line was crossed here. I feel the moderators should take a harder line on this.
Small reminder: this website is about coins and NOT for unnescary political-correct bullshit. Please let it GO!!!
Small reminder: this website is about coins and NOT for unnescary political-correct bullshit. Please let it GO!!!
If you have nothing useful to add to the discussion, just don't respond. The section is called Free discussion and that is exactly what this is. It has absolutely nothing to do with being political-correct, nor with faeces of a bull.
Fellows, I am afraid you are mixing up issues which do not have a single link to coin collecting.
Regarding the Gestapo:
it never chased numismats, so mentionning it is out of scope.
it not only chased israelists but also christians (catholic and protestants), as well as politic opponents, from communists to royalists, making the mention out of scope too.
To make a long story short, the Gestapo chased and oppressed all the bodies that did not shared the official opinion. So, please, keep that in mind and avoid chasing the members who are not sharing your opinion and beliefs.
Thanks in advance.
This is not only knowledgable about social issues and history, it’s witty and gave me a great laugh.
I love how both claimed that the other was not worth arguing with and yet the argument went on for all to see. There are many injustices in the world. I stand with the Jewish people and all types of people in the world. Lets all take a deep breath, it’s going to be ok.
Taking a break from swapping for a while, but still interested in pre 1799 Spanish coins, I will make time for that!
Fellows, I am afraid you are mixing up issues which do not have a single link to coin collecting.
Regarding the Gestapo:
it never chased numismats, so mentionning it is out of scope.
it not only chased israelists but also christians (catholic and protestants), as well as politic opponents, from communists to royalists, making the mention out of scope too.
To make a long story short, the Gestapo chased and oppressed all the bodies that did not shared the official opinion. So, please, keep that in mind and avoid chasing the members who are not sharing your opinion and beliefs.
Thanks in advance.
I've been thinking about this for a while, but I don't feel you understand why I started the discussion here.
What happened in this thread, in my view, is that the behavior of the topic starter is compared to the behavior of a criminal organisation. I would feel the same if instead of the Gestapo, a comparison was made with the regimes of Videla, Pinochet or the apartheid in South Africa (and the list is much longer than that of course). That the comparison with the Gestapo was made in the weekend the Holocaust was commemorated, and those two are inextricably linked(!), makes it even more hurtful.
I like a strong discussion, but in my opinion a line was crossed here. I feel the moderators should take a harder line on this.
My apologies. My intention was not to “hurt” any individual or group.
If you come across a user soliciting sales on a platform and wish to report them, the steps you need to take will depend on the specific platform in question. Here are the general steps you can follow:
Locate the reporting mechanism: Most platforms have a reporting mechanism in place, such as a "Report" or "Flag" button, to report inappropriate behavior.
Gather evidence: If possible, take screenshots or save any evidence of the user soliciting sales.
Submit a report: Use the reporting mechanism to submit a report and include any evidence you have gathered.
Follow up: If you do not receive a response, follow up with the platform to ensure they received your report and are taking action.
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