We should add a USA Notgeld section in the coin catalogue as there are local/regional tokens issued that did circulate. An example could be the civil war tokens, as they did circulate alongside the federal issued coins. Germany has a notgeld section and up until 1864 it was technically legal for these civil war tokens to be used and circulated in the USA. This is why we need a USA Notgeld section in the coin catalogue. One last note is that under that USA Notgeld section we would put in the different states as sub-issuers.
I disagree to making a section USA Notgeld (Not Money). I totally disagree with calling it “Notgeld” in order to justify making it a section under coins.
As much as the attempt is made to make these sections under coins, as has been attempted, under different guises many times it just is not feasible with a worldwide database like Numista. If it was a USA only database you could attempt to do all the different sections that have been asked.
Notgeld was also issued in Poland. The polish term for Notgeld is ‘pieniądz zastępczy’, which is essentially ‘money replacement’, also ‘Przekaz’ (as printed on a bilingual Polish-German language example of Polish notgeld N#344841 ), loosely meaning 'money order'.
Not knowing much German, I would guess that Notgeld could be translated as 'paper money' (German speakers please correct me here!).
Notgeld in Europe may have been a response to alack of coinage during the WW1 period. This was also a time when the French paper Francs began to be issued in place of the silver Franc coinage in the Paris region after the end of WW1, as the Franc devalued.
The pieces in question may well have a place in Numista but can we please reconsider the whole concept of “notgeld” as an issuer? The French banknote section is full of locally issued notes that should be listed under the town or region they were issued in and would be if only those towns and regions hadn't been subsumed into “French notgeld”. I'm sure the same applies to other parts of Europe. As for the USA, we need these local regions assigning one way or another but inventing “US notgeld” isn't the way.
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
The thought I had was make a broad USA Notgeld section with sub-issuers of that divided into the different USA states so we would have it look like this: USA > USA Notgeld > New York Notgeld.
The thought I had was make a broad USA Notgeld section with sub-issuers of that divided into the different USA states so we would have it look like this: USA > USA Notgeld > New York Notgeld.
Why not just have New York as a sub-issuer of the USA? Is there any history of the term “notgeld” being used in the US?
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
If we did not use the term notgeld, then how do we get the local administration tokens and some civil war tokens into the coin catalogue?
The problem is that the term token causes some (though not all) to immediately look to Exonumia. This is clearly not always appropriate, as we already have many tokens (particularly bank tokens) in the coin section. If a token was used like a coin, that makes it a coin and it belongs in the coin section. I don't know anything about these particular pieces, but that's the test they need to pass.
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
If you believe Wikipedia (LINKat the bottom) these American issues could fall under the notgeld umbrella term. But this also lists again the issue of Serienscheine for German and probably Austrian notgeld paper notes. They were simply not backed by anything and just a money making scheme but the ref didn't want to move them to exonumia because the differentiation might not be 100% possible.
I will now downvote this request as a USA Notgeld section is not needed due to the addition of a new forum post I made that seems to better sum up American tokens for the coin catalogue.
Thank you all for your input, as it has made me think more deeply about this request.
