I'm impressed by the number of times this feature generate issues. As a matter of fact, I think complaints never were false (all were legit modification requests, but made hard and cumbersome due to the yearlines being closed).
We have to acknowledge referees probably click too fast on this little lock…
I'm not sure about the solution. We could just remove the feature imo, unless we prove it helps more than it is a pain?
The vast majority of times I had people add year lines was either to the wrong page or some error coins that we don't list.
It also forces members on the forum, providing proof and inform people of new “discoveries” if you have a legitimately unlisted year or major variant (not present in relevant catalogs). It's also like a paper trail ordinary users can see, we don't have much else like that. This I find way more transparent and also there is a chance that more eyes look at it and can spot mistakes. It may slow things down a bit but that is not that big of a problem if it helps reduce erroneous editing of the database.
I am currently working to integrate a catalogue references on existing pages and almost all pages have been close where I ask to add sometime more than 30 new lines. The current usage of this feature is not correct at all. It should be reserved to specific cases, not close all pages as some referee are used to do today.
once a mint has published its sales figures, then the year lines should be closed. Obviously, it can take some referees/users a while to update the Numista catalogue accordingly, this time gap needs to close.
For some context: this feature was implemented when there was no referee yet verifying catalogue edits. It was was used by admins when verifying catalogue pages, in order to avoid future incorrect changes.
I'd also be in favor to remove it, but Idolenz has a fait point, especially since you can't provide pictures to justify a change request (the idea is tracked at https://en.numista.com/forum/topic104427.html).
Most of my current correction bear the comment: Please can you open the lines. The current usage made of this feature is obviously wrong. I do the effort to make change request but I asked picture to a user and noticed he used a wrong line because he can’t add any new line.
Most of my current correction bear the comment: Please can you open the lines. The current usage made of this feature is obviously wrong. I do the effort to make change request but I asked picture to a user and noticed he used a wrong line because he can’t add any new line.
I have that a lot too: people using wrong fields edition request to complain about yearlines being locked… Double pain for us referees
I, as a referee, have never used the complete year list tool. As a user it has given me a lot of problems when I tried to add a year line and these were already closed (I've spent almost a year to be able to add a "Proof" line), so as a referee I have decided not to use it and analyze each one of the modifications request that they send me.
On occasion, in order to decide, I have sent a PM requesting more evidence or documents that support certain information, including a specific photo of the year.
I think it has worked quite well that way, so I think it could be removed.
Oscar
Coin referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea, Marshall Islands, Moldova, Liberia and Spain
Banknote referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea and Spain
I am not referee and I do not know how it works, but I think must exist something to mark the years list as complete. But this can be more flexible: if a page is marked as “years list complete”
a user should send a modification request of the years, with a warning message in the page (eg: “The year list is marked as complete. Modify the years only if you are sure. Justify your request”),
a referee should modify the years (I do not know if this is possible now, with not remove before the mark of the years list).
Summarizing, I think this mark can be keep but only for information purpose.
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As above, having the years locked means that people have to show valid example of the item.
It should be that most years have been added for most countries by now I'd have thought. So the need to unlock should be very few and far between.
Hmmm, I think we may encounter one of these discussions where depending on the part of Numista you have in mind, experiences are very different. For the part I'm referee for (mainly medieval and modern eras), there are a vast quantity of closed entries whereas yearlines are not complete at all… I guess one solution would be for a referee to simply have the possibility to unock all yearlines from one issuer in one click ?
As above, having the years locked means that people have to show valid example of the item.
It should be that most years have been added for most countries by now I'd have thought. So the need to unlock should be very few and far between.
If the year line is closed, everything has to go through the Forum or a private message to the referee. Many times, the Forum is not viewed and private messages are not answered. I have had modifications request that have taken almost a year just to add a Proof year line, duly justified.
Perhaps the ideal would be to have the year lines open and be able to include the option to send a photo in the modification request, to make it easier to verify the existence of that year.
Coin referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea, Marshall Islands, Moldova, Liberia and Spain
Banknote referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea and Spain
If the year line is closed, everything has to go through the Forum or a private message to the referee. Many times, the Forum is not viewed and private messages are not answered. I have had modifications request that have taken almost a year just to add a Proof year line, duly justified.
Perhaps the ideal would be to have the year lines open and be able to include the option to send a photo in the modification request, to make it easier to verify the existence of that year.
Completely agree! Plus also let a ask for review option if referee needs more info (like if the photo is not put in the first request)
As above, having the years locked means that people have to show valid example of the item.
It should be that most years have been added for most countries by now I'd have thought. So the need to unlock should be very few and far between.
Hmmm, I think we may encounter one of these discussions where depending on the part of Numista you have in mind, experiences are very different. For the part I'm referee for (mainly medieval and modern eras), there are a vast quantity of closed entries whereas yearlines are not complete at all…
…and the situation where dates were added that cannot be confirmed and need to be removed.
The vast majority of times I had people add year lines was either to the wrong page or some error coins that we don't list.
It also forces members on the forum, providing proof and inform people of new “discoveries” if you have a legitimately unlisted year or major variant (not present in relevant catalogs). It's also like a paper trail ordinary users can see, we don't have much else like that. This I find way more transparent and also there is a chance that more eyes look at it and can spot mistakes. It may slow things down a bit but that is not that big of a problem if it helps reduce erroneous editing of the database.
I would like to see, the control resting. Idolenz has a strong argument, here.
