Micronations

Greetings,

I have noticed that there is coinage from micronations in both the coin and exonumia catalogue. I believe that we should move all the micronation coinage from the exonumia catalogue to the coin catalogue. This is because we do have a micronation section in the coin catalogue. It would help to better organize Numista if we do this.

Cheers,

Berkshire Collecting

There are probably a few that could be included.

I thought nations had to be approved by the UN?

*cough* Taiwan is a country *cough*

I stand corrected. Sorry.

I just looked up “Nations not members” of the UN on wikipedia:

Observer States

Within the UN, there is a special category of intergovernmental bodies that are classified as observes when they appear at the UN General Assembly. These bodies are given permission to be a part of the meetings of the General Assembly but they do not possess the power to make a vote. The UN defines observers as intergovernmental and international organizations whose statehood does not have a clear definition. In other words, it is unclear whether these bodies are actually sovereign states or organizations. The two UN observer states are the 

Holy See and 

Palestine.

States That Are Not UN Members or Observers

Kosovo

Western Sahara

Taiwan (Republic of China)

The Republic of China (Taiwan) is hardly a micronation but I'm sure we can distinguish between a bunch of far-right tax-dodgers and an actual nation state, regardless of whether or not the UN is able to “recognize” them.

Do any of you agree that Sealand is a “state with limited recognition?” I ask this because they check all the boxes of the 1933 Montevideo Convention. Also the main disputed parts, which are land and recognition, I have explanations for. Sealand claims both HM Fort Roughs and an embassy in Argentina. Furthermore they have de facto recognition by the UK and Germany. I will include a link:

https://sealandgov.org

Here are micronations that should be put in the coin catalogue from the exonumia catalogue:

Westarctica, Grand Duchy of

Redonda (Please make it “Redonda, Kingdom of”)

Atlantium, Empire of

Avram, Grand Duchy of

Liberland 

Araucania and Patagonia, Kingdom of

Wallachia (Please make it “Wallachia, Kingdom of”)

Christiania (Please move all of the exonumia from Christiania into the coin catalogue section for Christiania)

Elleore, Kingdom of

Molossia 

Parva Domus

Minerva, Republic of

Lundy (Please move all of the exonumia from Lundy into the coin catalogue section for Lundy)

Berkshire Collecting

Do any of you agree that Sealand is a “state with limited recognition?” 

I don't. Should we really take their word for it?

Me neither. Against micronations (or whatever you want to call them) in the coins section😝

Alright, we will leave Sealand where it is. However we should put all the micronations in the coin catalogue under the micronation section.

Berkshire Collecting

Alright, we will leave Sealand where it is. However we should put all the micronations in the coin catalogue under the micronation section.

Micronation: a small area or political entity that claims national sovereignty but is not recognized by other sovereign states:

The list from 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_micronations

Enjoy

The current status with one in and another one out of the coin catalog doesn’t make any sense. Just draw a ligne for Micronation. Saying that some have circulated coins and others no doesn’t make any sense. Who knows how coins are used in Molossia or in Sealand? Maybe they pay there own coffee with there own currency.

Berkshire Collecting

 

Lundy (Please move all of the exonumia from Lundy into the coin catalogue section for Lundy)

AFAIK most of Lundy's recent (2011) issues are unauthorized, and consequently correctly categorized as exonumia (fantasy coins). IIRC there are a few other micronational issues in this situation.

Even for ostensibly authorized issues, what counts as a legitimate micronation is a very hard question. Lundy is one of the most clear-cut cases (even more so than Sealand), but after that it's a big slope from there to the likes of Eregion and Klef Raraha.