Hello,showmethesilver! Sorry,my friend,I cannot ''show you the silver''! Because you have a fake coin!😭👎 Genuine pieces weight 2.55g. and have a different design at center,on the written side. Like in the photos I send you here:
Hello,showmethesilver! Sorry,my friend,I cannot ''show you the silver''! Because you have a fake coin!😭👎 Genuine pieces weight 2.55g. and have a different design at center,on the written side. Like in the photos I send you here:
the link i have posted has the same design as mine.
the thickness of my coins is off from the original and the weight, however it is made from silver and the design matches to well in my eyes to be a fake. i can understand why you whould make a fake using silver but why would you make it to thick? it gives away that its a fake surely. it doesnt logically make any sense to me to make a fake silver coin out of silver and get the weight wrong. wouldn't you say?
ps im not saying it isn't a fake but its just a bit odd to me.
i have acid tests and a test stone. its 100% silver.
Couldn't it be plated or clad?
You need to do a density test.
have just tested its density and its approx 10.111 by doing a specific density test. its density is below pure silver but i expect these coins are 90% silver or lower in grade. those weights also indicate that the coin is silver but of a lower purity. thanks for the questions
You may compare to a genuine coin of the same year but your pictures are a bit blury especially on the bottom wording of the obverse
i will try and take some better photos tomorrow during the day. i have been a bit puzzled by it today and been doing a bit of research it seems that apart from dates very little is know about these coins such as minage number varients of different dies for each year, hell even the silver content, these seem to have been poorly categorised so far. i can usually spot a fake because the designs are usually either off or the stike just looks off. they are almost always underweight and not normally made of the collect metal in this case silver. they were making two different variants of the 10 cent in 1900 so its also possible they may have used reverse side on both vairents but only changed the obverse sometimes so little is know and the weight being over by 0.2grams doesnt automatically rule it out as a fake, its may have be a thicker planchet, it does happen.
I hate to rain on your parade, but the details on your coin look too crude to be authentic, especially on the dragon side.
Why would someone make a fake silver coin that weighs more than the original? Who knows.
the details are not my concern i have compared the coin to the image on NGC and the reverse side with the dragon is identical and has all the same details as my own. if this is a fake its the beat fake i have ever seen. the details in my image are being hidden by the severe oxidation of the coin. how ever in person i have looked using a 40x jewellersloop and the details are the same the only issue i have is the weight and thickness. as i have said before these coins are poorly cataloged it seems. thanks for youre opinion but in the case of the details i will have to respectiably disagree with you on the issue of details.
This one does look similar to yours, but very different from the one posted by Frenchlover. The differences observed couldn't be attributed to wear alone. Will defer to experts.
This one does look similar to yours, but very different from the one posted by Frenchlover. The differences observed couldn't be attributed to wear alone. Will defer to experts.
see what i mean there seem to be many diffent variants of the dragon design. the flower in the center of the pot seems to change alot on the obverse also. i feel may be diffent dies but as i have said multiple times, the seem to be little info on thesw coins we dont even have a defined grade of the material or even an approx number produced yet alone numbers of dies and varients of those dies. either way i paid £2 for it so if it doea turn out to be a fake i havnt lost much at all.
i dont normally clean coins but to show the details better i had to. this side is exactly the same as the image on NGC the top right arm is different to the other design aswell as the thing below the dragons mouth.
i see what you mean but bear in mind mine is more worn and if you look at the 72 in relation to other details in the coin they line up and are in the same positions. if someone is able to overlay the two coins this would show what im on about.
as NGC is one of the most recognised grading agents out there i doubt very much they would have an image of a fake coin on there website. that is grasping at straws at this point wouldnt you say.
here are the two coins with some crude lines put on to show the numbers line up with the flared scales of the dragon
that is grasping at straws at this point wouldnt you say.
No, I wouldn't.
It's actually very concerning if both coins (Frenchlover's and NGC's) are real.
If your coin is authentic, that means Ali Express can just stamp out anything that falls between the original coin and yours, and there's nothing to point to trying to distinguish between them. The bar is so low here, someone could mint an “authentic” coin in their garage.
that is grasping at straws at this point wouldnt you say.
No, I wouldn't.
It's actually very concerning if both coins (Frenchlover's and NGC's) are real.
If your coin is authentic, that means Ali Express can just stamp out anything that falls between the original coin and yours, and there's nothing to point to trying to distinguish between them. The bar is so low here, someone could mint an “authentic” coin in their garage.
the image on NGC is not even questionable in my eyes. they are to reputable an organisation. however i do agree with youre comment due to there being to little know about these provincial coins and a total lack of cataloging it seem. this it does leave them open to being faked and being passed off. i have seen more than just those two designs of that dragon sin looking this coin up. the immages on here are different from frenchlovers coin. also why is no one questioning the authenticity of his coin? who graded it NGC lol 🤣. getting my point yet?
the immages on here are different from frenchlovers coin. also why is no one questioning the authenticity of his coin? who graded it NGC
Well, his coin actually looks like a real coin. Yours looks like a typical low-effort fake compared to it.
If we assume yours is actually real and all the varieties you've seen are also real, then there's really no way to tell a fake of this kind at this point, as long as it's executed in silver.
the immages on here are different from frenchlovers coin. also why is no one questioning the authenticity of his coin? who graded it NGC
Well, his coin actually looks like a real coin. Yours looks like a typical low-effort fake compared to it.
If we assume yours is actually real and all the varieties you've seen are also real, then there's really no way to tell a fake of this kind at this point, as long as it's executed in silver.
A sad place to be in this hobby.
i do agree, but that is the risk when dealing with coins that have been poorly cataloged. the reasearch just isnt there unlike british or American coins for example which every die and error has veen basically put into a book. anyways thanks for youre opinions on this mattter for now we shall say inconclusive.
Kevin
Status changed to Solved(showmethesilver, 8 Nov 2022, 20:05)
Wouldn't call this a fake right away, but better pictures definitely needed. Try taking a picture with a lot of background lighting
This coin is similar to the NGC exemple but with a different year.
The design of the dragon is definitively different to the coin I posted and the wording too : KIRIN.PROVINCE instead of KIRIN PROVINCE.
But as already discussed different dies may have been used.
So as we get a reputable specialist on board, he could give us his opinion !
as i said for now im leaving it as inconclusive as to it authenticity. i would love to hear more opinions on this but for now it will just go sit in the collection.
