NEW Listing for exciting PATTERNS in Zimbabwe-Rhodesia

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This message aims at: requesting the creation or the modification of an issuer in the catalogue

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This “state” lasted from June 1 - Dec. 12 of 1979. During this time period pattern/specimen/trial coins were produced for it by the SA Mint (designer/engraver was Lourens de Lange (LDL)). Complete sets may exist for the entire range of denominations (i.e. the reverse of the 1 and 2 cents in this set depicts a laurel wreath, the 5 cents depicts a Rhodesian Parrot Bird, the 10 cents depicts a dessert tree, the 20 cents depicts a Disa flower, the 50 cents depicts the Victoria Falls and the 1 dollar coin depicts ruins) and one was sold by Christie's in 2001. More recently, I added one of only four 1980 1 cent patterns (see photos) to my collection and there are supposedly up to six 50 cent patterns (see link). It would seem that this “country/state” should have its own listing perhaps as a subgroup of Zimbabwe (which chose to go with the Royal Mint after the election).

 

 

 

http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?topic=6602.0

"EVERY COIN IS CLEANED. CLEANING, THEREFORE, IS ALWAYS A MATTER OF DEGREE.
If you send a "dirty" coin into a grading service to be "conserved" and let them do the "conserving" they will charge you for their work CLEANING the coin ..."

I stand corrected, the sovereign state lasted till April 18, 1980. Here is a historical summary of the overlapping countries.

 

Format is; 

 

Numista (sub) Country Name

Country Name 

From/To

Currency Name

Currency Minted at

Flag

 

1) None

British South Africa Company

1901/1923

Pound Sterling

Royal Mint UK

Flag_of_BSAC_edit.svg.png

 

2) Southern Rhodesia

Southern Rhodesia

(British Crown colony)

1923/1953

S. Rhodesian pound

Rhodesian pound

Rhodesian dollar

Royal Mint UK

Flag_of_Southern_Rhodesia_(1924–1964).svg.png

 

3) (Southern Rhodesia)

(Federation of) Rhodesia & Nyasaland (Central African Federation)

1953/1964

CAF pound

Royal Mint UK

Flag_of_Rhodesia_and_Nyasaland_(1953–1963).svg.png

 

4) (Rhodesia)

Rhodesia

1964/5

Rhodesian pound

SA Mint

Flag_of_Rhodesia_(1964–1968).svg.png

 

5) Rhodesia

Rhodesia (Republic of)

1965/1979

Rhodesian pound

Rhodesian dollar

SA Mint

Flag_of_Rhodesia_(1968–1979).svg.png

 

6) ?

Zimbabwe-Rhodesia (Sovereign State of)

06/01/1979 to 04/18/1980

Rhodesian dollar

SA Mint

zrflag.png

 

7) Zimbabwe

Zimbabwe (Republic of)

04/18/1980 to present day

Zimbabwean dollar

Royal Mint UK

Flag_of_Zimbabwe.svg.png

"EVERY COIN IS CLEANED. CLEANING, THEREFORE, IS ALWAYS A MATTER OF DEGREE.
If you send a "dirty" coin into a grading service to be "conserved" and let them do the "conserving" they will charge you for their work CLEANING the coin ..."

Zimbabwe has had its own mint - located near Bulawayo.

 

The Zimbabwean Mint struck coins from 2001 to 2003 before being closed.

 

The Bond Coins of 2014, 2016, 2017, & 2018 were struck in South Africa.

 

Aidan.

BCNumismatics

Zimbabwe has had its own mint - located near Bulawayo.

 

The Zimbabwean Mint struck coins from 2001 to 2003 before being closed.

 

The Bond Coins of 2014, 2016, 2017, & 2018 were struck in South Africa.

 

Aidan.

Always great to learn new details. Thanks!

"EVERY COIN IS CLEANED. CLEANING, THEREFORE, IS ALWAYS A MATTER OF DEGREE.
If you send a "dirty" coin into a grading service to be "conserved" and let them do the "conserving" they will charge you for their work CLEANING the coin ..."
Status changed to Done (Jarcek, 12 Oct 2022, 14:43)

This is listed as part of Zimbabwe.

Catalogue administrator

Jarcek

This is listed as part of Zimbabwe.

I'm not sure what you mean? The sovereign state of Zimbabwe-Rhodesia existed before the sovereign state of Zimbabwe. They are two different countries that occupied the same land. They had two different governments, two different flags and had coinage produced by two different mints. Numista has lots of examples of similar situations and they are usually identified as a subgroup “under” the main or current name of the country. Cheers & thanks for all the work of the admins, mods & editors.

"EVERY COIN IS CLEANED. CLEANING, THEREFORE, IS ALWAYS A MATTER OF DEGREE.
If you send a "dirty" coin into a grading service to be "conserved" and let them do the "conserving" they will charge you for their work CLEANING the coin ..."
Status changed to Started (Jarcek, 12 Oct 2022, 21:39)

Hmm, you are not wrong…

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Jarcek

Hmm, you are not wrong…

Thanks for that. If anything - and I'm not suggesting this - they would go into the previous Rhodesia grouping. Is there a technical reason why the independent state of “Zimbabwe - Rhodesia” cannot appear as a separate group under the overall Zimbabwe heading?

 

Zimbabwe-Rhodesia (Sovereign State of)

06/01/1979 to 04/18/1980

Rhodesian dollar

SA Mint

zrflag.png

"EVERY COIN IS CLEANED. CLEANING, THEREFORE, IS ALWAYS A MATTER OF DEGREE.
If you send a "dirty" coin into a grading service to be "conserved" and let them do the "conserving" they will charge you for their work CLEANING the coin ..."

If it is the same country but different name, please just put it under Zimbabwe and we can create proper ruling authority 

We create new issuer only if territory changed consequently

New country, new flag, new coins. But I would not object to a listing under Zimbabwe as long as we're clear that they are unique. 😉

"EVERY COIN IS CLEANED. CLEANING, THEREFORE, IS ALWAYS A MATTER OF DEGREE.
If you send a "dirty" coin into a grading service to be "conserved" and let them do the "conserving" they will charge you for their work CLEANING the coin ..."

GregbythePond

Jarcek

Hmm, you are not wrong…

Thanks for that. If anything - and I'm not suggesting this - they would go into the previous Rhodesia grouping. Is there a technical reason why the independent state of “Zimbabwe - Rhodesia” cannot appear as a separate group under the overall Zimbabwe heading?

 

Zimbabwe-Rhodesia (Sovereign State of)

06/01/1979 to 04/18/1980

Rhodesian dollar

SA Mint

zrflag.png

 

Zimbabwe-Rhodesia was never recognised as an independent state - & anyway, there was a Governor in place from December 1979 to April 1980.

 

Therefore, Zimbabwe-Rhodesia belongs under ‘Rhodesia’, which was recognised as a British colony right up until its independence as Zimbabwe.

 

Aidan.

“Sovereign State of" but I digress. From a numismatic point of view - not a political one - new coins were ordered “by the regime” from the South African mint. This alone, again “numismatically” should determine that a separate listing is required. As a reminder, I'll post the NGC label for my 1980 cent from the SA mint.

 

Again “numismatically” they exist as a separate entity. I don't give a care about how you list them "politically".

"EVERY COIN IS CLEANED. CLEANING, THEREFORE, IS ALWAYS A MATTER OF DEGREE.
If you send a "dirty" coin into a grading service to be "conserved" and let them do the "conserving" they will charge you for their work CLEANING the coin ..."

GregbythePond

New country, new flag, new coins. But I would not object to a listing under Zimbabwe as long as we're clear that they are unique. 😉

Country name  and flag can be attached to ruling authorities, no need of a new issuer if the territory stayed identical

Please create a new request about adding a ruling authority when an item is added :-)

Status changed to Rejected (Compendium, 8 Sep 2023, 21:21)

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