Grand Duchy of Lithuania Titles / Face Values / Currency [solved]

Some questions have come up about how to make titles and Face Value info of listings like this conform better to the guidelines:

Halfgroat - Zygmunt I (Lithuania) - Grand Duchy of Lithuania – Numista

But getting into this, other questions come up first.

According to Huletski, et al, Early Lithuanian Half-groats (2017), p. 9, on the Lithuania currency reform of 1495:

“The countable unit was the groat, which consisted of 10 pence.”

and …

“The monetary system was simple: it was projected to mint two currency units, the penny and the half-groat.”

This raises question 1:

Why do we list the Bohemian Groat as the currency for this issuer 1495- 1535?  Possibly this is incorrect, and we should instead have 

Bohemian Groat (   - 1495)

Lithuanian Groat (1495-1580)

Question 2:

If the Lithuanian groat is the correct main currency unit, then should the list of subunits read like this for 1495-1535 (same as for 1535-1580)?

5 Lithuanian pence = 1 Lithuanian halfgroat = ½ Lithuanian groat.

I hope one of the Huletski co-authors will see this and can comment @ 

Had Lithuania Pennies or Denars? Also for a half groat to exist there needs to be a groat even only as a book unit. 

So the currency description would look like:

10 Lithuanian pence/denars? = 1 Lithuanian groat ⦁ 12 Lithuanian pence/denars? = 1 Bohemian groat

Surely we aren't going to continue with Anglicized names for these denominations? Denar seems to be the proper name rather than “penny” but what about “groat”? Is that really a Lithuanian word?

Idolenz

Had Lithuania Pennies or Denars? Also for a half groat to exist there needs to be a groat even only as a book unit. 

So the currency description would look like:

10 Lithuanian pence/denars? = 1 Lithuanian groat ⦁ 12 Lithuanian pence/denars? = 1 Bohemian groat

Yes, according to Huletski, the groat was the “book unit."  But why would the Bohemian groat be included in the list of subunits, once Lithuania had its own currency based on the Lithuanian groat?

I think every sovereign currency issuer had a list of exchange rates with other nearby currencies in this era, but I don't think it is normal Numista practice to include them in this list?  

As for the discussion of denars vs pennies, this is above my pay grade 😊 (and is being discussed on another thread).

I very vaguely remember reading something about Lithuanian currencies, that they first used Bohemian groat as main unit (as it was used extensively in Europe) and then come up with their own.

We can also drop (Lithuania) from the titles.

Yes, possibly the Bohemian groat before 1495.

But according to Huletski, the currency reform of 1495 established the Lithuanian groat as the currency unit.  So my suggestion was to have Lithuanian groat (or just groat) from 1495.

This should be fixed now. :)

Maybe for this special case it might fit but I still find it quite odd that we have fractions or multiples as a denomination (also quite often the case in the ancient section with all their hemi, demi, semi, teri, quadri stuff).

We don't do any modern currency like that.

_{^{100 one euro cent = 50 two euro cent = 20 five euro cent = 10 ten euro cent = 5 twenty euro cent = 2 fifty euro cent = 1 Euro - 2 Euro = 2 one euro}}

Not very meaningfull, I agree.

I will take care of these, and work on  better consistency.

Edit: Pre-1495 issues now have the Bohemian groat assigned as currency, and the later ½ groat coins have all been standardized, including removal of (Lithuania) from titles.