Problem between English and French sides of Numista

Not sure if this is a bug or not.

As the Australian referee I spend the vast majority of my time on the English side of Numista. Adding, editing, approving change requests and creation requests etc etc.

One of the things I do after a coin has been added is I Verify and mark the Year list as complete (if required).
I don't think you will find an Australian coin on the EN side of Numista that has not been verified.

However if you have a look on the French side of Numista quite a lot of them them are not verified.

Here is an example
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces73769.html
https://fr.numista.com/catalogue/pieces73769.html

I would have thought that when I verify a coin it should be verified on both sides of Numista?

Regards Mike

That's normal because like you said you probably never look at the French side of the Australian catalog so you never verified that the data is ok (most likely there is no data other then the shared one anyway [with the new feature we get (en) data if other languages fields are empty]).

This will of course be also true for https://es.numista.com/catalogue/pieces73769.html

This makes it possible to make other language versions without any problem.

Not sure if this has just been changed but the example you gave has been verified:

La liste des millésimes est complète et vérifiée. La plupart des demandes de nouveaux millésimes que nous recevons correspondent en fait à une autre pièce. Si vous êtes certain que vous possédez cette pièce dans un millésime qui n'est pas répertorié ici, vous pouvez demander son ajout à la liste via le forum en incluant dans votre message une photo de votre pièce.

Same with the Spanish version but I think that's just because the original version starts out as just a copy of the English page.

Quote: "Idolenz"​That's normal because like you said you probably never look at the French side of the Australian catalog so you never verified that the data is ok (most likely there is no data other then the shared one anyway [with the new feature we get (en) data if other languages fields are empty]).
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​This will of course be also true for https://es.numista.com/catalogue/pieces73769.html
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​Hi, when I click at the link you provide, it is a weird mix of english and spanish, is the spanish version available now?

I mark the words in Spanish in a black box, the rest are in English.

When I look at the french version it is not verified.



The english side is verified


Surely if a referee marks a coin as verified on either side it should be verified automatically on the other side?

Mike

Quote: "rsirian1"​Not sure if this has just been changed but the example you gave has been verified:
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​La liste des millésimes est complète et vérifiée. La plupart des demandes de nouveaux millésimes que nous recevons correspondent en fait à une autre pièce. Si vous êtes certain que vous possédez cette pièce dans un millésime qui n'est pas répertorié ici, vous pouvez demander son ajout à la liste via le forum en incluant dans votre message une photo de votre pièce.
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​Same with the Spanish version but I think that's just because the original version starts out as just a copy of the English page.

​That is saying that the mintage lines are complete. It is not saying that the coin is verified.

Mike

This is the other way of knowing if a coin is verified ...

French side - Not verified - No tick


English side - Verified - Tick


I might be wrong but my interpretation of a Verified coin means it actually exists and is a legitimate coin.
Not that all the data that might be showing on Numista is complete, just that it is a real coin.
Although I am very particular about showing as much complete data on the English side as I can, but after perusing the French side I can see that lots of things are missing. However that does not change the fact that the coin exists and I have verified it as so on the English side..

Mike

Oh. I misunderstood what you were saying. I don’t have tic marks on any coin. Must be special for referees.

Quote: "brismike"​I might be wrong but my interpretation of a Verified coin means it actually exists and is a legitimate coin.
​Not that all the data that might be showing on Numista is complete, just that it is a real coin.
​Although I am very particular about showing as much complete data on the English side as I can, but after perusing the French side I can see that lots of things are missing. However that does not change the fact that the coin exists and I have verified it as so on the English side..

​You are mistaken here, yes.

The status "Verified" is meant to show that the data on the page has been verified--not that the coin exists. If the coin has a page on Numista, it should exist (or should have existed at one point), so we would not need a check mark to show that.

The "Verified year-list" is common in both English and French--if you check it in one language, it will be checked off in the other language. This is because a Verified year-list shows that no additional years are needed. And if none are needed in English, none are needed in French.

However, that is not the case when the pages are Verified. There are many pages that are completely filled out in English, yet are lacking a lot of information in French (and vice versa)--usually, it is because the referee only really works in one language, so they only verify the information in that language. With that being said, looking at the pages in question, the only thing that has been translated on the French side is the Face value in word form, so... the French version of the page would not have been Verified.

Quote: "brismike"​When I look at the french version it is not verified.
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​The english side is verified
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​Surely if a referee marks a coin as verified on either side it should be verified automatically on the other side?
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​Mike

​Hello,

Same thing for me but in the other sense:
french verified:
https://fr.numista.com/catalogue/exonumia324831.html

And English NOT verified:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/exonumia324831.html

Quote: "rsirian1"​Oh. I misunderstood what you were saying. I don’t have tic marks on any coin. Must be special for referees.

​And you are correct.

Only referees can verify coin pages, and only they can see the verification check mark. And if I recall correctly, the Verified pages a referee can see is limited to the countries they are referee for (aside from master referees, who can see the verification status of every page on Numista).

Using those Verification marks are not a requirement for referees, but they can help referees keep track of what needs to be done in their countries without having to open every individual page.

Quote: "oynbcn"​
​​​Hi, when I click at the link you provide, it is a weird mix of english and spanish, is the spanish version available now?
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​​I mark the words in Spanish in a black box, the rest are in English. ​

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​No, it's not done yet but all the es.-links exist already.

Not the most recent document but still accurate with icons explanations: https://en.numista.com/numisdoc/what-s-the-meaning-of-the-icons-on-a-coin-page-142.html

Basically:

• Icons are visible by any member at top right of the page (above blue Features box), and in the search results.
  
• Only referees can mark pages of their section as verified (in each language separately) or with year list complete.
  
• Not mandatory to use these icons but still a nice feature that can be useful for both referees and members.
  
• When year list is "complete" nobody can submit year addition request (comments and current mintage lines can still be edited through normal requests). A text is then visible on the edition page mentioning to use forum.
  

Spanish version has not be launched yet, so yes there may still be some discrepancies. Basic/Common wording is being done, some issuers/rulers/etc. have been translated but it's still work in progress.

Thankyou pejounet, idolenz and sulfur for a very detailed explanation. Apologies for raising the issue. It is not a bug at all and is actually normal functionality. Now that I understand the meaning of verify, in the Numista sense, it looks like I will have some work to do on the French side of the Australian catalogue.

Cheers Mike

All good, let me know if you know help on this.

I'll add the icon details/info to a FAQ article soon...I still have a couple articles to add/update first.