Costa Rican 5 colones [solved]

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ceh2019

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Posted: 5 Mar 2022, 17:40 #

Costa Rica's coins are difficult to catalogue due to many small changes. I notice that a new page has just appeared for the 2001 5 colones. I assume this was split off from the 1997-1999 coin. The KM# are 227a, 227a.1 and 227a.2, so not much help there. What I'm wondering is whether it would be better to have the 1997 coin in one page and the 1999 and 2001 coins together in a second page? An image of the 1997 coin can be found here. To me, the biggest change is at the bottom of the shield, with the 1999 and 2001 coins more similar to each other than either is to the 1997. Either way, we really need images of all three dates to illustrate properly what's going on. I have the 1997 date, so I can supply a picture if needed.

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rsirian1

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Posted: 5 Mar 2022, 18:02 #

Per SCWC, KM# 227a and 227a.1 are copper-aluminum-nickel and KM# 227a.2 is brass. That, I'm sure is why they were split.

rsirian1

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Posted: 5 Mar 2022, 18:23 #
Edited: 5 Mar 2022, 18:35

Just for fun, I made these gifs comparing the 3:

ceh2019

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Posted: 5 Mar 2022, 18:28 #

Yes, that would explain the decision to separate 2001 and is confirmed on the BCCR website. What about splitting 1997 and 1999? If you could slow down the rate of change on your gifs, they'd be a great addition.

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rsirian1

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Posted: 5 Mar 2022, 18:36 #
Edited: 5 Mar 2022, 18:40

Reposted slower gifs. Unfortunately, none of the 3 images are mine so they should not be used.

But I could use the 2 in Numista and your 1997.

Some_Nerd Numista team

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Posted: 5 Mar 2022, 18:42 #
Edited: 5 Mar 2022, 18:43

Quote: "rsirian1"Per SCWC, KM# 227a and 227a.1 are copper-aluminum-nickel and KM# 227a.2 is brass. That, I'm sure is why they were split.

You've got it! Both Krause and the Central Bank agree that 2001 is Brass and 1997-99 are Copper-Aluminium-Nickel. No changes are needed for the respective pages.

Here's a quick note:

For Costa Rican coins, unless there is a change in the technical details between types (e.g. composition or weight), it is preferable to list them under a single page. About every few years the government ordered coins from different mints, which has resulted in slight variations from one year to the next. Rather than fracturing the coins into several dozen pages and making the catalog unwieldy, it is better to simply note the varieties in the comments.

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ceh2019

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Posted: 5 Mar 2022, 18:53 #

It makes it a bit difficult to collect the different varieties through swaps if they're clumped together since I can't select the ones I'm missing without others I've already got. Nevertheless, better pictures will help. Here's my 1997.

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rsirian1

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Posted: 5 Mar 2022, 19:52 #

Here's the gifs if you want to use them. Pictures are from coinmaniacbg, Makake and ceh2019.

Some_Nerd Numista team

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Posted: 5 Mar 2022, 20:28 #

Quote: "ceh2019"It makes it a bit difficult to collect the different varieties through swaps if they're clumped together since I can't select the ones I'm missing without others I've already got.

I remember a couple of threads requesting the ability to add individual year-lines to one's wishlist. Perhaps you should look into those requests.

In the meantime, the pages should remain as is.

Sjoelund

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Posted: 5 Mar 2022, 20:59 #

As can be seen, in SCWC there is no doubt how to distinguish the different types.
The different years are sufficient. See above. Only two have the same alloy, they differentiate by the smoke of the volcanoes and by the their years and other type sets etc.

As SCWC shows you have 5 types in the km227 family.

In the beginning there was SCWC and then came Numista and things got complicated, because somebody in Numista thought it would be nice to have fewer pages, so REAL km# were merged into "Numista km#" and the real km# were not searchable any longer!

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Sjoelund

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Posted: 5 Mar 2022, 21:13 #

Quote: "Sjoelund"
As can be seen, in SCWC there is no doubt how to distinguish the different types.
The different years are sufficient. See above. Only two have the same alloy, they differentiate by the smoke of the volcanoes and by the their years and other type sets etc.

As SCWC shows you have 5 types in the km227 family.

In the beginning there was SCWC and then came Numista and things got complicated, because somebody in Numista thought it would be nice to have fewer pages, so REAL km# were merged into "Numista km#" and the real km# were not searchable any longer!

Edit: I have them all, and never had any problems entering them in my collection....

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ceh2019

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Posted: 6 Mar 2022, 13:24 #

Sadly, the request to add individual year lines to wish lists was rejected.
The images showing the differences are essential at the moment as the descriptions, both in SCWC and Numista, miss one of the main differences, which is the shape of the bottom part of the shield, not just the outline and the volcano smoke.

I doubt there are many countries where such a significant difference would be put together in a single type but, if we are going to treat Costa Rica as a special case, let's at least do a decent job of communicating the varieties. I'll request that the above image be added to the comments. I'm afraid I find the animated gif a little hard to focus on.

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Sjoelund

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Posted: 6 Mar 2022, 14:07 #

If you want to I can make macros of the bottoms of the two coins concerned? BTW, the animated gif does not work at all in coin articles, I tried.... a long time ago!

Result?

I'm sorry to hear the CR was denied, what was the reason, since I certainly can NOT think of one! Try to see, if the above graphic can be entered into the comment sections of all the coins?

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ceh2019

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Posted: 6 Mar 2022, 14:34 #

The CR to add my image is pending but perhaps your image could be added to all the relevant pages? Regarding adding year lines to wish lists, I can't find the original thread (it was quite a while ago) but I don't remember a reason being given other that it wasn't possible.

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Sjoelund

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Posted: 6 Mar 2022, 14:48 #

Quote: "ceh2019"The CR to add my image is pending but perhaps your image could be added to all the relevant pages? Regarding adding year lines to wish lists, I can't find the original thread (it was quite a while ago) but I don't remember a reason being given other that it wasn't possible.

We know it's possible just ask rsirian1, he knows who to ask, let's see what he says? I'll send him a PM.

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rsirian1

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Posted: 6 Mar 2022, 16:08 #

I believe ceh2019 is referring to adding specific year/variant lines to "My wishes" wish lists, not modifications of specific year lines on coin pages. The only one that can do that is Xavier and he has said it's hard to do but hasn't rejected it (yet).

This request was rejected but only because it was already being tracked here which is still open with a vote of 51 for/2 against.

Some_Nerd Numista team

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Posted: 7 Mar 2022, 16:25 #

I have not rejected any requests. I knocked my computer off my desk a couple of days ago, so I am waiting to verify requests until it gets fixed.

To @Sjoelund, please do not make any requests like this one:

as taking direct sections of Krause is a direct violation of copyright law!

Sjoelund

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Posted: 7 Mar 2022, 16:56 #

I never thought about that as a year long contributor to scwc.... I'll do it differently and just as good. Give me till tomorrow. I'm occupied with Canadian varieties for the moment.

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Sjoelund

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Posted: 7 Mar 2022, 18:25 #

Anyway, here is a graphic to convince the referee and eventually include in the comments in all four articles

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rsirian1

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Posted: 7 Mar 2022, 18:39 #
Edited: 7 Mar 2022, 18:49

Looks great. I'm not sure what "2nd plan" means.

Also, anyone notice that the Numista coin page for KM# 227 says it's brass plated steel, not bronze like in SCWC? I don't have one to check if it's magnetic.

Edit: Just checked the BCCR web site and it confirms it's bronze.

ceh2019

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Posted: 7 Mar 2022, 18:47 #

My 1995 is magnetic and brass-coloured. The BCCR website says
Acero inoxidable revestido en bronce
which I would translate as
Bronze-plated stainless steel
though why you would use stainless steel if you're going to plate it, I'm not sure. Quite what they mean by "bronze" is up for debate.

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rsirian1

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Posted: 7 Mar 2022, 18:54 #

Hmmm...when I selected the English version of the web site it said "bronze" but the Spanish version has what you said. The magnet doesn't lie, it's plated steel (maybe stainless, maybe not?).

ceh2019

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Posted: 7 Mar 2022, 19:26 #

I'd go with the Spanish rather than the English version but there is one error in the Spanish version. The 1995 25 colones is magnetic but listed as brass.

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rsirian1

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Posted: 7 Mar 2022, 19:41 #

Makes sense. Looks like all the 1995's are plated steel. Numista has it correct.

Sjoelund

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Posted: 7 Mar 2022, 21:55 #

2nd plan is behind the volcanoes, where you see a second lake also with a ship in it!

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Sjoelund

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Posted: 7 Mar 2022, 21:58 #

2nd plan is behind the volcanoes, where you see a second lake also with a ship in it, see below to the right of the sun and behind two volcanos!

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Sjoelund

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Posted: 7 Mar 2022, 22:22 #

Do you want the same thing for the km228, the 10 colones, it's the same old story again? (but the 2201 is missing, but for that there is a 2002!)

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rsirian1

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Posted: 7 Mar 2022, 22:22 #

Ah, yes, I see it now. Except the word "plan" doesn't fit here. Maybe "in background" instead? Or "level"? Also, I'd use "steel" or "SS" instead of Fe.

Sjoelund

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Posted: 7 Mar 2022, 22:31 #